Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 11:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Sep 2013, at 10:37, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 9:54 AM, Bruno Marchal

Implicate order

2013-09-18 Thread Russell Standish
I've just been reading a book that I procured at a school fete called Science, Order and Creativity, by David Bohm and David Peat. I had read Wholeness and the implicate order in my youth, which on the whole was confusing and unsatisfying. In many ways, this book is too. Yet, I can't quite shake

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:11, meekerdb wrote: On 9/17/2013 1:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Sep 2013, at 19:54, meekerdb wrote: On 9/16/2013 5:35 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: With computationalism, it is more easy and clear. What exists, at the ontological level, is what make true a sentence

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:40:27 PM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Thanks Craig, you've articulated quite well a number of difficulties in approaching the hard problem, IMHO. I was reading this article in the SEP and thought of

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:39, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: So you are suggesting that a thing like broken glass is made of numbers I was just saying that things are not made up of things. A broken glass is NOT made of number. That

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:07:23 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, September 14, 2013 5:53:01 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Fri, Sep 13,

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 04:12, chris peck wrote: Hi John Exactly, Newton and Darwin and Einstein didn't need Popper to tell them how to get knowledge out of nature, and absolutely no change in how science was done happened in 1934, the year Popper's book was published. None whatsoever.

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 05:03, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Sunday, September 15, 2013 3:54:24 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 14 Sep 2013, at 04:25, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, September 13, 2013 9:42:54 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 12 Sep 2013, at 18:22, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 18 Sep 2013, at 11:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 11:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 15 Sep 2013, at 10:37, Telmo Menezes wrote:

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread chris peck
--- Original Message --- From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be Sent: 19 September 2013 12:08 AM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: What gives philosophers a bad name? On 18 Sep 2013, at 04:12, chris peck wrote: Hi John Exactly, Newton and Darwin and Einstein didn't need

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread chris peck
Hi Bruno We don't have to accept Popper's demarcation principle in order to understand that it has genuinely been influential or that Popper's arguments are used within scientific circles. I haven't read the paper you mention but many people have taken falsificationism to task. Kuhn; Lakatos;

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 10:12 PM, chris peck chris_peck...@hotmail.comwrote: You say that this demarcation principle has had no influence in science. Within Psychology however, for better or worse, Psychoanalysis is now perceived as a faintly absurd artifact of history. No one gets hot under

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread John Clark
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Name a number relation that does not involve a computation or some other process! It is difference between a number j used as a name for a program, like in the arithmetical relation phi_j(k) = r, A arithmetical relation is a

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Liz R
If someone told me that I was going to be hung, I can assure you I would be expecting it every day. I wouldn't bother with any logical analysis. (The unexpected exam, on the other hand...) On Thursday, 12 September 2013 21:33:24 UTC+12, telmo_menezes wrote: Time for some philosophy then :)

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread meekerdb
On 9/18/2013 5:21 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I naturally took an extreme example to make my point. I do that often too, but here it weakened your point. Everyone (except Sunday philosopher) agree on 0, and its successor. Also some serious mathematicians are finitists. The Meaning of Pure

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 18 Sep 2013, at 11:43, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:11 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 11:49, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Bruno Marchal

Re: What gives philosophers a bad name?

2013-09-18 Thread meekerdb
On 9/18/2013 10:24 AM, John Clark wrote: Should other theories (quantum loop gravity) which potentially offer more scope for falsifiability receive a greater proportion of the available resources. So far quantum loop gravity is no better at making testable predictions than string

Re: How PIP solves the hard problem of consciousness

2013-09-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 8:26:35 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:40:27 PM UTC-4, freqflyer07281972 wrote: Thanks Craig, you've articulated quite well a number of difficulties in approaching the

Re: Unexpected Hanging

2013-09-18 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 9:14:21 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 17 Sep 2013, at 19:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 6:07:23 AM UTC-4, telmo_menezes wrote: On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday,