Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

Programming sounds like cookery. On 27 March 2014 19:35, Chris de Morsella wrote: > Thanks Russell, just ordered a copy as well. It will dovetail in nicely > with Max Tegmark's book, about to embark on Chapter 12 into the meat of his > argument; wish I had more time to finish it a single read.

Re: [foar] COMP => no cloning?

On 26 Mar 2014, at 04:44, LizR wrote: On 26 March 2014 16:30, meekerdb wrote: On 3/25/2014 8:18 PM, LizR wrote: On 26 March 2014 15:52, meekerdb wrote: On 3/25/2014 6:52 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: It is trivially a theorem of COMP, since the existence of such a substitution level is the COMP

Re: [foar] COMP => no cloning?

On 26 Mar 2014, at 06:01, meekerdb wrote: On 3/25/2014 9:14 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/25/2014 6:52 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: It is trivially a theorem of COMP, since the existence of such a substitution level is the COMP axiom itse

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 26 Mar 2014, at 13:47, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:37, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2014 11:29, LizR wrote: On 26 March 2014 12:12, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: An infinite universe (Tegmark type 1

Re: Max and FPI

2014-03-27 5:39 GMT+01:00 meekerdb : > On 3/26/2014 9:03 PM, LizR wrote: > > On 27 March 2014 16:33, meekerdb wrote: > >> I don't think you can infer anything about gender preference for "triple >> or bust" vs "maintain what we've got" from evolutionary biology. >> > > Well OK, but what I've r

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

On 26 Mar 2014, at 20:46, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Years back, Clifford Pickover at IBM came up the identical (indexical?) notion, using bicycle parts, jello cubes in all the refrigerators on Earth, and flocks of birds. It would be a great thing if we were somehow to capture actual progra

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 05:06:46PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > The engineering tolerance of the brain must be finite (and far higher than the Planck level) if we are to su

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 26 Mar 2014, at 23:26, LizR wrote: On 27 March 2014 10:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: Unless you allow brains to grow infinitely big, there are only a finite number of possible brains even in an infinite universe. With sufficiently advanced technology (e.g. uploading yourself to a

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 27 March 2014 18:48, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 Mar 2014, at 13:47, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, March 26, 2014, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:37, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On 26 March 2014 11:29, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 26 March 201

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 27 March 2014 19:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > > > On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish > wrote: > >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 05:06:46PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> > >> > The engineering tolerance of the brain must be

Re: Chaitin's Metabiology

Yeah, its mind numbing and likely non-disprovable, in the Popperian sense (Inventor of the hot popper). However, if out of the blue, it was demonstrated that natural physical objects (as opposed to fantasy objects?) were running computations and that humans could read the computer programs, tha

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 27 Mar 2014, at 11:35, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 March 2014 18:48, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 13:47, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Wednesday, March 26, 2014, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 01:37, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 26 March 2014 11:2

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

Citeren Stathis Papaioannou : On 27 March 2014 19:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 05:06:46PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > The engineering tolerance of the

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Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 27 Mar 2014, at 11:42, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On 27 March 2014 19:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 05:06:46PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > The e

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

In some ways it can be compared to a recipe. the right ingredients AND the right timing & sequence is key.. And makes the difference in outcome between some sad lump of something and the brilliant cake. From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf O

Re: Max and FPI

On 3/26/2014 11:38 PM, LizR wrote: OK, I suppose the argument makes sense, sort of (although it seems more likely to me that genes would act as though there is one universe whether that's the case or not, for reasons I already mentioned). Anyway let's assume it does, at least for the sake of ar

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 3/27/2014 12:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: The actual theory of consciousness doesn't make any difference here. The claim that the copy isn't really the same person is equivalent to, and as absurd as, the claim that I'm not the same person after a night's sleep. I agree, but I think you are

Re: Max and FPI

On 3/27/2014 12:51 AM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: 2014-03-27 5:39 GMT+01:00 meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>: On 3/26/2014 9:03 PM, LizR wrote: On 27 March 2014 16:33, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: I don't think you can infer anything about gender preferenc

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 3/27/2014 1:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish > wrote: On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 05:06:46PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > > The engineering toleranc

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

> On 28 Mar 2014, at 1:47 am, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > >> On 27 Mar 2014, at 11:35, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> >> >> >>> On 27 March 2014 18:48, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> On 26 Mar 2014, at 13:47, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On Wednesday, March 26, 2014

Re: Max and FPI

Brent, If as you say "in the multiverse everything happens and infinitely many times" then there can be only one multiverse, which negates a number of cosmology theories like Linde's Chaotic Inflation Cosmology. But then the potential he used provides the best fit to BICEP2 gravitational-wave data

Re: Max and FPI

On 28 March 2014 07:49, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Brent, > > If as you say "in the multiverse everything happens and infinitely many > times" > then there can be only one multiverse, which negates a number of cosmology > theories like Linde's Chaotic Inflation Cosmology. But then the potential > h

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 27 March 2014 21:26, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 26 Mar 2014, at 23:26, LizR wrote: > > On 27 March 2014 10:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> >> Unless you allow brains to grow infinitely big, there are only a finite >> number of possible brains even in an infinite universe. >> >> With suffic

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 27 March 2014 23:42, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 27 March 2014 19:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >> On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish >> wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 05:06:46PM +1100, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 28 March 2014 09:37, LizR wrote: > On 27 March 2014 23:42, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> On 27 March 2014 19:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 26 Mar 2014, at 22:30, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> >>> On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Russell Standish >>> wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 28 March 2014 11:46, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > I would say there is only a finite number of possible biological human > minds, > Because the number is limited by the Beckenstein bound if we assume physical supervenience ? > but an infinite number of possible minds if you are running them

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 28 March 2014 09:51, LizR wrote: > On 28 March 2014 11:46, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> I would say there is only a finite number of possible biological human >> minds, >> > > Because the number is limited by the Beckenstein bound if we assume > physical supervenience ? > > >> but an infi

Re: Max and FPI

On 28 March 2014 06:02, meekerdb wrote: > > I agree. I just thought it was an interesting idea that 'natural > selection' might act differently in multiverse than a universe. The > example made up by Kent seems highly unrealistic - > Yes it does. It might be interesting if someone can come up

Re: Max and FPI

On 28 March 2014 09:49, Richard Ruquist wrote: > Brent, > If as you say "in the multiverse everything happens and infinitely many > times" > then there can be only one multiverse, which negates a number of cosmology > theories like Linde's Chaotic Inflation Cosmology. > It does? How? -- You re

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 28 March 2014 12:00, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > On 28 March 2014 09:51, LizR wrote: > >> On 28 March 2014 11:46, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >> >>> I would say there is only a finite number of possible biological human >>> minds, >>> >> >> Because the number is limited by the Beckenstein bo

Re: [foar] COMP => no cloning?

On 27 March 2014 20:12, Bruno Marchal wrote: > On 26 Mar 2014, at 04:44, LizR wrote: > > I said that the "continuity is of exactly the same nature" (not that the > states were the same - in fact the states are successor states, as I > mentioned - which is something assumed to exist but still to b

Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

On 28 March 2014 10:16, LizR wrote: > On 28 March 2014 12:00, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: > >> On 28 March 2014 09:51, LizR wrote: >> >>> On 28 March 2014 11:46, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> I would say there is only a finite number of possible biological human minds, >>> >>> B

Re: Max and FPI

Different potentials. Infinite multiverse has a flat potential. Linde's Chaotic Inflation Cosmology has a parabolic potential in each separate universe. Such a potential fits the BICEP2 data best On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 7:15 PM, LizR wrote: > On 28 March 2014 09:49, Richard Ruquist wrote: > >>

Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

On 28 March 2014 05:28, Chris de Morsella wrote: > In some ways it can be compared to a recipe... the right ingredients AND the > right timing & sequence is key And makes the difference in outcome > between some sad lump of something and the brilliant cake. > > > Yes, although I think you get

Re: [foar] COMP => no cloning?

Bruno: of course you cannot even fathom a 'Q-state' with so much unknow/able/n in everything we KNOW about, or don't even KNOW ABOUT. . Reproduce? No chance. You can work only on whatever is known today. (And that, too, is questionable in your (my?) science) *Assume* and *suppose* are inadequate. E

RE: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:24 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback On 28 March 2014 05:28, Chris de Morsella wrote:

Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secret now available in paperback

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:28:06PM -0700, Chris de Morsella wrote: > > > > > From: everything-list@googlegroups.com > [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:24 PM > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [foar] Amoeba's Secr