Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Apr 2014, at 18:47, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 6:51:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 9 April 2014 04:58, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, April 7, 2014 11:03:35 PM

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 09 Apr 2014, at 20:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: as long as you never try to use a reference to an experience to beg a question in metaphysics Richard: I do that all the time. Where? I am not sure you ever did this. I am not talking on the personal 1p reference which influences

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Apr 2014, at 20:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: as long as you never try to use a reference to an experience to beg a question in metaphysics Richard: I do that all the time. Where? I am not sure you ever

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:48 AM, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.comwrote: *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto: everything-list@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Telmo Menezes Maybe I'm a bit soft because my cat, that lived 12 years with me, died recently. As long

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot compete with religion. When I was growing up, I was

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread spudboy100
Dream better, please. -Original Message- From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wed, Apr 9, 2014 9:55 pm Subject: Re: My scepticism took a small knock today On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: Dreams

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 10 April 2014 22:54, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Dream better, please. Controlling your dreams is a whole new ballgame, or so I've been led to believe. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: Dreams need not have any possible evolutionary justification, since their presence or absence is irrelevant to behavior. My dream caused this thread

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread spudboy100
Lucid dreaming is nothing that I have ever attempted or learned much about. I hear some people work for it. My dream is for human survival, which isn't being properly addressed, but I am a sub-micron (sub-sub) in the scheme of things, as is proper. -Original Message- From: LizR

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, neither climate can be changed by little ants like us, neither internationalism can be a genuine feeling, neither supranational identities can be fabricated, neither woman can live without depending on

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling evolitionary reasons. If any, the current promotion of gay rights will exacerbate true homophoby in the medium- long term. In the same way that feminism is increasing the

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Telmo, Those truths that are often the hardest to learn require the most painful of lessons. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:59 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, neither climate can

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling evolitionary reasons. If any, the current promotion of gay rights will exacerbate true

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas interesting and worth considering. I don't quire agree that space exploration cannot

RE: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alberto G. Corona Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:10 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Climate models By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
The Swiss where many, very many as I understand it, young men are bisexual, seems to argue to the contrary... Seems they found out that sex is sex and for a man to love it must be based on sex. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: By the way, because it

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Chris and Guitar, you are funny. Do you believe that these mere insults andd ad-hominem straw man etc, have any effect across internet except to laugh at you? The time of the police state enforcer of ideológicall uniformity has gone since 1995. Oh wait I know why you may need another one...

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:57, LizR wrote: On 10 April 2014 22:54, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Dream better, please. Controlling your dreams is a whole new ballgame, or so I've been led to believe. My feeling is that controlling is a nuisance for lucidity, or even just the quality of a dream.

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Alberto, Don't feed the trolls... On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: Chris and Guitar, you are funny. Do you believe that these mere insults andd ad-hominem straw man etc, have any effect across internet except to laugh at you? The time of

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-04-10 18:28 GMT+02:00 Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com: Chris and Guitar, you are funny. Do you believe that these mere insults andd ad-hominem straw man etc, have any effect across internet except to laugh at you? Who's the one insulting ? You are certainly blind to your own

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Stephen hehehe. Ok I will not. Reality can fight alone and will win inevitably against the ones that deny it. The problem is the price to pay in the process 2014-04-10 18:38 GMT+02:00 Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com: Alberto, Don't feed the trolls... On Thu, Apr 10,

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Dear Alberto, Cost is always an issue. It cannot be avoided (contra the belief of magical thinkers) but it can be minimized by increasing the efficiency of systems. On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: Stephen hehehe. Ok I will not. Reality can

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread meekerdb
On 4/10/2014 7:59 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, neither climate can be changed by little ants like us, neither internationalism can be a genuine feeling, neither supranational identities can be

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread meekerdb
On 4/10/2014 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com mailto:stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 10 Apr 2014, at 11:09, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Apr 2014, at 20:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: as long as you never try to use a reference to an experience to beg a question in metaphysics Richard: I

Re: Video of VCR

2014-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:42:08 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: Craig, I have already commented that type of non-argument. Once we get closer to a refutation of your attempt to show that your argument against comp is not valid, you vindicate being illogical, I don't vindicate

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread spudboy100
The Russians have continued space travel and so have the Chinese. The Progressive BHO administration is disinterested, by in large, with space stuff. This was way true when senators Proxmire, Mondale, and Ed Kennedy,voted to cut the old space shuttle funding in half, so we got what we got and

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread spudboy100
Interesting, Professor Marchal. From what I have read some lucid dreamers can actually feel the metal top of a car, or the feel of a wooden fence as the dream 'walks' by. Plus, the dreamer knows he is dreaming. There is a California university psychologist who teaches his students how to get

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 02:17, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Dreams need not have any possible evolutionary justification, since their presence or absence is

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 02:59, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, neither climate can be changed by little ants like us, neither internationalism can be a genuine feeling, neither supranational

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Alberto G. Corona
If you are a woman that aborted, you know how much you suffered and probably are suffering. I´m very sorry 2014-04-10 22:05 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 11 April 2014 02:59, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 11:09, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:40 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Apr 2014, at 20:12, Richard Ruquist wrote: Bruno: as long as you never try to use a

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 08:33, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: If you are a woman that aborted, you know how much you suffered and probably are suffering. I´m very sorry Yes, I suffered a bit, at the time, mostly emotionally - but now I'm just utterly thankful I made the right decision.

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Russell Standish
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:33:54PM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote: If you are a woman that aborted, you know how much you suffered and probably are suffering. I´m very sorry This is an overt generalisation. A number of women have confided with me about their abortions - some have described

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread meekerdb
On 4/10/2014 3:41 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:33:54PM +0200, Alberto G. Corona wrote: If you are a woman that aborted, you know how much you suffered and probably are suffering. I´m very sorry This is an overt generalisation. A number of women have confided with me

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I did, and I find his general ideas interesting

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 11:04, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: But back to the gay issue. If the assumption is that gay promotion is part of a strategy to reduce the

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, If you insist on that definition of the word, I don't really care. I am married, but if it became generally accepted that

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 11:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: sex orientation can not be changed, neither a matrimony can be other than a man and a woman, If you insist on that definition of the word, I

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Dear Telmo, Those truths that are often the hardest to learn require the most painful of lessons. Hi Stephan, Maybe I lack imagination, but I don't see how gays getting married can cause me pain.

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 11:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: neither woman can live without depending on ideas and societies essentially made by men. Made be men made by women. Then it's Lisp all the way

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Stephen Paul King
Try this: http://www.cs.hmc.edu/~belgin/Population/malthus.html Malthus was not content with one classification system for his checks - or, perhaps, in the overwhelming disorganization of the first Essay, dashed off at the spur of the moment as it were, he simply lost track of the fact that he

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 1:48 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 11 April 2014 11:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: neither woman can live without depending on ideas and societies essentially made

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.comwrote: By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. I find this hard to believe, because I am a heterosexual male and feel no animosity towards gay men. There are

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 03:10, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling evolitionary reasons. If any, the current promotion of gay rights will exacerbate true homophoby in

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:09 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2014 8:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 10 Apr 2014, at 12:51, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:37 AM, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Read Corona's post carefully. I

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 06:45, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: The Russians have continued space travel and so have the Chinese. The Progressive BHO administration is disinterested, by in large, with space stuff. This was way true when senators Proxmire, Mondale, and Ed Kennedy,voted to cut the old space

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 06:45, spudboy...@aol.com wrote: Feminism I am ok with because equal pay for equal work. As an element of Marxism it sucks, but otherwise its good. Actually Marxism is about equal pay for equal work, too. Abortions are tricky for me, a subject. It's easy to make

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: LizR lizj...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:43 PM Subject: Re: Climate models On 11 April 2014 11:41, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Alberto G. Corona

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 13:08, Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com wrote: -- *From:* LizR lizj...@gmail.com *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2014 11:43 PM *Subject:* Re: Climate models On 11 April 2014 11:41, Telmo Menezes

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread meekerdb
On 4/10/2014 5:20 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 April 2014 03:10, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com mailto:agocor...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling evolitionary reasons. If any,

Re: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread LizR
On 11 April 2014 13:24, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 4/10/2014 5:20 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 April 2014 03:10, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, because it seems that you are interested, rejection of gays by men will never ever change. There are compelling

Re: My scepticism took a small knock today

2014-04-10 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Thursday, April 10, 2014 3:51:40 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 11 April 2014 02:17, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:wrote: On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 9:55:08 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: On 10 April 2014 04:09, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com wrote: Dreams need not have any

Re: Max and FPI

2014-04-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:56:55 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 3 April 2014 16:56, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 3:07:26 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 3 April 2014 14:39, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:24:28 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote:

Re: Max and FPI

2014-04-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, April 11, 2014 5:47:43 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:56:55 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 3 April 2014 16:56, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 3:07:26 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 3 April 2014 14:39, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On

RE: Climate models

2014-04-10 Thread Chris de Morsella
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of meekerdb Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 6:25 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Climate models On 4/10/2014 5:20 PM, LizR wrote: On 11 April 2014 03:10, Alberto G. Corona

Re: Max and FPI

2014-04-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Thursday, April 3, 2014 7:56:55 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 3 April 2014 16:56, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 3:07:26 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 3 April 2014 14:39, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, April 3, 2014 1:24:28 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: