Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess one could start from is physics computable? (As Max Tegmark discusses in his book, but I haven't yet read what his conclusions are, if any). If physics is

Re: An interview based on Christopher Hitchen's book (parts 1 and 2)

2014-05-10 Thread Kim Jones
The late great Hitchens put his best effort into this book, the title and subtitle of which is: God is Not Great. How Religion Poisons Everything. God is not great is presumably a direct blasphemous asertion aimed as a direct contradiction of Allahu akhbar (God is great.) my favourite

Re: An interview based on Christopher Hitchen's book (parts 1 and 2)

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
Jeremy Paxman talking to Christopher Hitchens on Newsnight is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-s9AyNQyCw On 9 May 2014 23:08, Samiya Illias samiyaill...@gmail.com wrote: Parts 1 2 of an interview based on Christopher Hitchen's book about God: Part 1:

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess one could start from is physics computable? (As Max Tegmark discusses in his book, but I

Re: An interview based on Christopher Hitchen's book (parts 1 and 2)

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
Nice. I am not a Marxist but I respect intellectually honest Marxists. He show intellectual honesty many times, for example when he states that the anti-globalist movement is conservative. On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 9:59 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: Jeremy Paxman talking to Christopher

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 10 May 2014 22:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess one could start from is

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: I guess one could start from is

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:54 PM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 22:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Terren Suydam
Hi Telmo, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 7:46 AM, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.comwrote: So it is implied that some none-computable part of the brain generates consciousness, which immediately contradicts the assumption that brain behaviour is computable. It doesn't contradict that if what

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread John Clark
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:48 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.0126v1.pdfhttp://arxiv.org/pdf/1405.0126v1.pdf I don't buy it. For one thing memory IS lossy and it's largely reconstruction. I don't buy it either but I think you could tell that the article was

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Saturday, May 10, 2014, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','stath...@gmail.com'); wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread John Ross
That is a good question whether we are trying to answer it based on my theory or anybody else’s theory. Under my theory the gravity of the Black Hole would be proportional to the rate of release of neutrino photons from the surface. John R From: everything-list@googlegroups.com

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread John Ross
Tronnies are point particles. They have no mass. The tronnie’s only property is its charge of plus or minus e. Its charge of e means that it is continually producing Coulomb force waves that travel at the speed of light. It repels itself with its own Coulomb force waves. Thus, its minimum

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread John Ross
928 + 1.0214 + .00112 = 0.51 + 0.51 + 928, You can check out my math and logic at pages 48 and 49. Does your neutrino have a mass? Can you prove that the evidence of your neutrino is not evidence of my neutrino entron? From: everything-list@googlegroups.com

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread John Ross
I have read many articles about these so-called “ultra high-energy gamma rays”. I don’t believe they are gamma rays. A gamma ray at least in my model is a photon. They are cosmic radiation. This cosmic radiation is monitored by summing up the energy in a cone of radiation produced from

RE: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread John Ross
The missing particles are entrons. In my model both the proton and the neutron are comprised of gamma ray entrons. The neutron also includes an electron. I have not tried to explain conservation of energy and momentum in the course neutron decay. However, I believe my model will provide a

Re: Films I think people on this forum might like

2014-05-10 Thread Martin Abramson
Yes, the 4 superstars performing and explaining some stunning illusions all done with brilliant fx. On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 5:41 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: you mean http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Now_You_See_Me_%28film%29 ? that was quite fun, a bit incredulity stretching... On 2 May

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread John Mikes
Stathis and Esteemed Savants of this brilliant back-and-forth tackle: Using words is easy. Did we agree in applied meanings at all? Computation may refer (?) to tackling finite and known items. Consciousness may refer (?) to inclusion of complexity (= infinite etc. included) Conscious has not much

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, May 10,

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Quentin Anciaux
2014-05-11 0:58 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 5:03:50 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: As Mr Ross mentioned, he was originally going to call them trons, but it turns out Walt Disney has already got the rights to that name (at least in the singular) due to a famous film from the 1980s, so he went with tronnies instead.

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Saturday, May 10, 2014 8:40:47 PM UTC+1, John Ross wrote: I have read many articles about these so-called “ultra high-energy gamma rays”. I don’t believe they are gamma rays. A gamma ray at least in my model is a photon. They are cosmic radiation. This cosmic radiation is monitored

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread Kim Jones
On 11 May 2014, at 6:00 am, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I suggest you get a copy of my book and see if you can answer these question without having to rely on neutrinos. My offer to send you a copy still stands. Why do you keep saying this? The more you say it, the more

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread spudboy100 via Everything List
Yeah, its all computable, way deep down. I don't know if it helps, which is always my fixation, but many believe its true. As Martin Gardner stated, behind matter is energy, and behind energy, mathematics, and since math is really nothing, behind all this God. Anyway that was his model and

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Friday, May 9, 2014 5:06:11 PM UTC+1, John Ross wrote: Good questions. The Black Holes gravity is very constant because the destruction of each proton first requires the creation of an anti-proton. Anti-proton are created by the combination of a neutrino entron and a positron to

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Platonist Guitar Cowboy
On Sun, May 11, 2014 at 1:40 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-11 0:58 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 1:17:39 AM UTC+1, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, May 9, 2014 5:06:11 PM UTC+1, John Ross wrote: Good questions. The Black Holes gravity is very constant because the destruction of each proton first requires the creation of an anti-proton. Anti-proton are

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 11 May 2014 11:40, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2014-05-11 0:58 GMT+02:00 LizR lizj...@gmail.com: On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 11 May 2014 08:58, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 23:30, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 20:12, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 8:30 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: On 10 May 2014 17:30, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 11 May 2014 12:13, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 11 May 2014, at 6:00 am, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I suggest you get a copy of my book and see if you can answer these question without having to rely on neutrinos. My offer to send you a copy still

Re: Is Consciousness Computable?

2014-05-10 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 11 May 2014 10:54, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Stathis Papaioannou stath...@gmail.comwrote: On Saturday, May 10, 2014, Telmo Menezes te...@telmomenezes.com wrote: On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Stathis Papaioannou

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:23:23 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 11 May 2014 12:13, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au javascript:wrote: On 11 May 2014, at 6:00 am, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.comjavascript: wrote: I suggest you get a copy of my book and see if you can answer these

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 11 May 2014 14:12, ghib...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, May 11, 2014 2:23:23 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 11 May 2014 12:13, Kim Jones kimj...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On 11 May 2014, at 6:00 am, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: I suggest you get a copy of my book and see if you

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread LizR
On 11 May 2014 07:07, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com wrote: Tronnies are point particles. They have no mass. The tronnie’s only property is its charge of plus or minus e. Its charge of e means that it is continually producing Coulomb force waves that travel at the speed of light. It

Re: TRONNIES

2014-05-10 Thread ghibbsa
On Sunday, May 11, 2014 3:47:45 AM UTC+1, Liz R wrote: On 11 May 2014 07:07, John Ross jr...@trexenterprises.com javascript:wrote: Tronnies are point particles. They have no mass. The tronnie’s only property is its charge of plus or minus e. Its charge of e means that it is