Bruno Marchal wrote:
> >> The physical device is far more complex than the algorithm,
> astronomically more complex, so you tell me which is a simplified
> approximation of which.
>
> The physical device is no more relevant to the algorithm than any other
> universal system.
Yes, an algorith
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 , Bruno Marchal wrote:
> The point is just that the notion of computation, once you agree with
> Church-Turing thesis, is made into a purely arithmetical notion.
>
That is incorrect. The Church-Turing thesis says that a function on the
positive and negative integers is comput
On 5 June 2015 at 16:21, Samiya Illias wrote:
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> http://quran.com/81/6 And when the seas are filled with flame
>
> Il'l just look at this one for now. I suspect that any of them will give a
similar result...
OK. I see that it is part of the following verse, or whatever one should
call it (I've
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 6:34 PM, LizR wrote:
>>> Mr Clark's response to Bruno indicates that he (Mr Clark) doesn't know
>>> what he (Bruno) is talking about
>>>
>>
>> >> Correct. And Mr.Clark strongly suspects that Mr.Marchal doesn't either.
>>
>
> > However Mr Clark's opinion on this isn't partic
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 4:01 AM, LizR wrote:
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming
>
The following verses of the Quran might be of interest:
http://quran.com/30/41 Corruption has appeared throughout the land and sea
by [reason of] what the hands of people have ea
Abandoning common sense notions is easy. Finding good replacements is hard.
Brent
"Every boy in the streets of Gottingen understands more about four dimensional geometry
than Einstein. Yet, in spite of that, Einstein did the work and not the mathematicians"
--- David Hilbert
On 6/4/2015
This is what, IIRC, Asimov called the "Frankenstein complex" in his robot
stories - the idea that the world will be overrun by rampaging robots, or
paper clip factories as the case may be. While the "singleton" seems to be
what might be called the "HAL complex" (or Multivac if we want to stay with
One comment (so far) - Einstein's breakthrough on SR appears to have been
"simply" to take seriously what the various results already obtained at
that date suggested. That might be regarded as a "paradigm shift" by some
since it involved space and time being unified and various
counter-intuitive ef
On 6/4/2015 3:12 PM, LizR wrote:
On 4 June 2015 at 12:27, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>
wrote:
On 6/3/2015 3:32 PM, LizR wrote:
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-01/even-big-oil-wants-a-carbon-tax
I believe that when James Inhofe votes for it.
Who's he
This review of Nick Bostrom's _Superintelligence_ crossed my desk from
a Rod somebody or other. Should be interesting to members of this
group, although you'll need a spare 15 minutes or so to read it.
Cheers, Russell.
Review of Nick Bostrom's _Superintelligence_, Oxford University Press, 2014.
I forwarded it inline. It took 3 goes, as I mistyped the list address
the first time, and the google bot took a dim view of my email address
the second time. Stuffed if I know what happened the third to cause a
blank message to go out, but I'll try again.
Cheers
On Fri, Jun 05, 2015 at 11:00:25AM
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming
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Am I missing a subtle joke, or did you forget to include a link? (Or is my
browser up the spout?)
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On 4 June 2015 at 13:21, John Clark wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 LizR wrote:
>
>
>> > Mr Clark's response to Bruno indicates that he (Mr Clark) doesn't know
>> what he (Bruno) is talking about
>>
>
> Correct. And Mr.Clark strongly suspects that Mr.Marchal doesn't either.
>
> However Mr Clark's
On 4 June 2015 at 12:27, meekerdb wrote:
> On 6/3/2015 3:32 PM, LizR wrote:
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>>
>> http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-01/even-big-oil-wants-a-carbon-tax
>>
>
> I believe that when James Inhofe votes for it.
>
Who's he?
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On 6/3/2015 3:32 PM, LizR wrote:
> http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-01/even-big-oil-wants-a-carbon-tax
I believe that
On 04 Jun 2015, at 18:01, Terren Suydam wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bruno Marchal
wrote:
On 03 Jun 2015, at 14:58, Terren Suydam wrote:
It would be like saying that bats' echolocation is an illusion. Not
a perfect analogy, because a bat's facility for echolocation is
roo
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> >>> or A string which is not algorithmically compressible,
>
>
> >> Yes, that is a very good example of an event without a cause.
>
> > "Event" is a physical notion. Algorithmic non compressibility is an
> mathematical notion.
>
Nothing caused the 988
On 04 Jun 2015, at 18:19, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I suspect that you have heard and believe critics made by some
people behind my back, as I have been reported that some people do
that since 1973, for reason which are out of the topic of this
discus
On 04 Jun 2015, at 18:11, John Clark wrote:
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 , Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> A real physical device is much more complex, that is to say has
many more attributes, than any of our algorithms. So if you have a
simple thing and a complex thing you tell me which is making a
sim
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote:
> I suspect that you have heard and believe critics made by some people
> behind my back, as I have been reported that some people do that since
> 1973, for reason which are out of the topic of this discussion. But I have
> never succeeded in meeting thos
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 , Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>> A real physical device is much more complex, that is to say has many
>> more attributes, than any of our algorithms. So if you have a simple thing
>> and a complex thing you tell me which is making a simplified approximation
>> of which.
>
>
> > The
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 9:31 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 03 Jun 2015, at 14:58, Terren Suydam wrote:
>
>
> It would be like saying that bats' echolocation is an illusion. Not a
> perfect analogy, because a bat's facility for echolocation is rooted in its
> physiology, not constructed, but the
On 04 Jun 2015, at 04:15, John Clark wrote:
On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> He doesn't actually say that (and he probably didn't write the
headline). What he says is that your consciousness produces
illusions and it's not so transparent as people tend to assume.
> I suspec
On 03 Jun 2015, at 23:07, John Clark wrote:
Bruno Marchal wrote:
>> if randomness doesn't mean an event without a cause what on
earth does it mean?
> A superposition seen from the 1p view, or A self-duplication seen
from the 1p view
That means peepee.
Thanks for reminding us your p
On 04 Jun 2015, at 03:21, John Clark wrote:
On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 LizR wrote:
> Mr Clark's response to Bruno indicates that he (Mr Clark) doesn't
know what he (Bruno) is talking about
Correct. And Mr.Clark strongly suspects that Mr.Marchal doesn't
either.
You have shown that you don't
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