Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Pierz
On Tuesday, May 30, 2017 at 9:14:07 AM UTC+10, Bruce wrote: > > On 29/05/2017 11:21 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Bruce Kellett > > > wrote: > >> On 29/05/2017 10:42 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Kellett > >>> > wrote:

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Jason Resch
Isn't this the distinction between many minds and many world's? Whether to draw the bounds if the superposition around the conscious mind or the environment? Does Saibal Mitra's "changing the past by forgetting" assume and rely upon many minds? Jason On May 28, 2017 7:23 AM, "Pierz" wrote: > >

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/05/2017 11:21 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/05/2017 10:42 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/05/2017 6:26 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Kellett w

Re: Answer to David 3

2017-05-29 Thread David Nyman
On 29 May 2017 at 17:40, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 28 May 2017, at 19:32, David Nyman wrote: > > On 28 May 2017 at 18:02, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> On 28 May 2017, at 16:53, David Nyman wrote: >> >> >> On 28 May 2017 at 14:38, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> ​Yes, that's what I meant. >> ​ >> >

Re: Answer to David 3

2017-05-29 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 28 May 2017, at 19:32, David Nyman wrote: On 28 May 2017 at 18:02, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 May 2017, at 16:53, David Nyman wrote: On 28 May 2017 at 14:38, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​Yes, that's what I meant. ​ It is there that many confuse: the number s(0), the Gödel number of s(0), t

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 29/05/2017 10:42 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> >>> On 29/05/2017 6:26 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/05/2017 10:42 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/05/2017 6:26 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: I would say that there is only one history leading to our present state. Whether you take an MW

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 29/05/2017 6:26 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Kellett >> wrote: >>> >>> On 29/05/2017 9:45 am, Pierz wrote: >>> >>> WRT to this whole multi-coloured T-Rex business, there is a simpler point >>> to >

Fwd: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread David Nyman
-- Forwarded message -- From: David Nyman Date: 26 May 2017 at 19:36 Subject: Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s) To: meekerdb , Bruno Marchal < bruno.fernand.marc...@gmail.com> On 26 May 2017 18:49, "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/26/2017 4:40 AM, David Nyman wrote: >

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/05/2017 6:26 pm, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On 29/05/2017 9:45 am, Pierz wrote: WRT to this whole multi-coloured T-Rex business, there is a simpler point to be made. My original argument was in favour of MWI. Now whether, in MWI, macroscopi

Re: Fwd: Answers to David 4

2017-05-29 Thread David Nyman
On 29 May 2017 at 05:27, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > On 5/28/2017 3:40 AM, David Nyman wrote: > > > > On 28 May 2017 5:52 a.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: > > > > On 5/27/2017 3:20 PM, David Nyman wrote: > > I think what is meant by the reversal is clear enough. The forward >> hypothesis, mechanism, is

Re: Supervenience

2017-05-29 Thread David Nyman
On 29 May 2017 6:36 a.m., "Brent Meeker" wrote: On 5/28/2017 11:13 AM, David Nyman wrote: I recently posted a comment in reply to Russell on the topic of supervenience, but it may have got lost in the recent posting confusion. Anyway, I append it again below, slightly amended for comprehension

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On 29/05/2017 9:45 am, Pierz wrote: > > WRT to this whole multi-coloured T-Rex business, there is a simpler point to > be made. My original argument was in favour of MWI. Now whether, in MWI, > macroscopic histories can merge is surely an int

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Telmo Menezes
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 4:24 AM, Jason Resch wrote: > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2017, Russell Standish wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 06:30:07PM -0700, Pierz wrote: >> > Recently I've been studying a lot of history, and I've often thought >> > about >> > how, according to special relativity,

Re: A thought on MWI and its alternative(s)

2017-05-29 Thread Bruce Kellett
On 29/05/2017 3:33 pm, Pierz wrote: Russell, do you believe that Schrödinger's cat is in a superposition of dead and alive before we open the box? That depends a little on your point of view. For the 'bird' view from outside the wave function, all superpositions exist timelessly, so the cat i