Re: Entanglement

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 12:32:18 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote

Re: Entanglement

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 9:07:37 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: [snip] * So consciousness anticipates all quantum experiment that MIGHT occur in the future, * The arithmetical relations do that. Consciousness only select the histories *and creates those worlds in anticipation?

Re: Primary matter

On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 06:41:35PM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > One way of moving forward is that when you talk about the "Robust" > > universe case, you are effectively postulating Platonism of > > computations. > > ? > > I have used “robust” only for a physical universe. It is a phys

Re: Entanglement

From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remembe

Re: Green stars (was Primary matter)

On 6/7/2018 3:24 PM, Russell Standish wrote: The appearance of colour is as much psychological as anything. We would have evolved to perceive ambient light as white - doesn't matter whether there are clear skies, or it is cloudy, the brain will adjust, given appropriate cues. Yeah, my wife i

Re: Green stars (was Primary matter)

On Thu, Jun 07, 2018 at 10:05:34AM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > *> hasn't the Sun been getting hotter, which would mean moving from yellow > > toward green rather than the other way. And it's still still more a yellow > > than green store.

Re: Entanglement

On Thursday, June 7, 2018 at 11:32:23 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: > > From: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> >> From: >> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >>> >>> From: >>> >>> >>> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schema

Re: Primary matter

On 6/7/2018 10:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 7 Jun 2018, at 02:26, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/6/2018 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It does. When the machine opts for <>p in the doubt between p and <>p, if it let it go, in some sense, it transforms itself into a more speedy and more effic

Re: Primary matter

On 6/7/2018 1:24 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ee above, i.e. because it is necessary. Science may well determine when and where and what relations there are. But not why. That's the "engineering" solution to the hard problem of consciousness for which I am often criticized. Because you limit

Re: Primary matter

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:50 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> ​ > I meant: here are the improvements described, in the works of Pythagorus > to Damascus. > ​Here? Where? You said there were many improvements in theology between 500BC and 500AD and I asked for examples, and for the second time you wer

Re: Primary matter

> On 7 Jun 2018, at 03:28, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: Bruno Marchal mailto:marc...@ulb.ac.be>> >>> On 5 Jun 2018, at 03:34, Bruce Kellett < >>> bhkell...@optusnet.com.au >>> > wrote: >>> >>> The difference is perhaps most

Re: Is the Continuum Hypothesis a) really true or really false, or b) something else ?

On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 10:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: ​> *​* > *I know perfectly well what the personal pronoun “you” will mean, as its > meaning will not change.* > Of course it will change. Today "you" means the man who is currently experiencing H, tomorrow "you" means the man who is currently

Re: Primary matter

> On 7 Jun 2018, at 02:26, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/6/2018 10:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> It does. When the machine opts for <>p in the doubt between p and <>p, if it >> let it go, in some sense, it transforms itself into a more speedy and more >> efficacious machine, with respec

Re: Primary matter

> On 6 Jun 2018, at 14:48, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> Yes, but why are the "lights on" inside me? Why are we not mechanisms, >>> that do exactly what you describe, but without a first-person >>> experience of it? >> >> >> Ah, there's your problem. Science doesn't answer "why" questions. That

Re: Primary matter

> On 7 Jun 2018, at 01:46, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > ​>> ​ From -500 to +500, theology has progressed a lot. > > I​>> ​I'd like to see some examples of that. > > ​> ​Pythagorus, Heraclitus, Parmenides, Plato,

Re: Is the Continuum Hypothesis a) really true or really false, or b) something else ?

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 3:15 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > ​> ​ > I don't want to get into arguments about pronouns, Then you don't want to talk about Bruno's ideas because personal pronouns are vitally important to it, they are the rug that Bruno uses to cover the gaping holes in Bruno's logic. >

Lost mails.

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Re: Is the Continuum Hypothesis a) really true or really false, or b) something else ?

> On 6 Jun 2018, at 21:15, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/6/2018 3:04 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> But in Helsinki, as a computationalist, you know in advance that whatever >> you will live is a definite unique experience, of W or of M. You lost >> unicity in the 3p view, indeed, but a

Re: Is the Continuum Hypothesis a) really true or really false, or b) something else ?

> On 7 Jun 2018, at 00:39, John Clark wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 6:04 AM, Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > ​>​ in Helsinki, as a computationalist, you know in advance that whatever you > will live is a definite unique experience > > ​But as a ​computationalist​

FW: Primary matter

[Philip Benjamin] Primary matter? It has only physics? No chemistry? Without chemistry what use is it of? These questions apply to ALL matter, besides the question of aseity. Philip Benjamin -Original Message- From: everything-list@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Brent Meeker Sent: Wednes

Green stars (was Primary matter)

On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: > *> hasn't the Sun been getting hotter, which would mean moving from yellow > toward green rather than the other way. And it's still still more a yellow > than green store. * There are intensely red stars and there are pale blue stars but t

Re: Entanglement

From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:05:40 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: From: Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing the general progres

Re: Primary matter

On Wed, Jun 06, 2018 at 08:26:34PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: > Interesting story.  But hasn't the Sun been getting hotter, which would mean > moving from yellow toward green rather than the other way.  And it's still > still more a yellow than green store. The peak of the sun's spectrum is about

Re: Entanglement

> On 6 Jun 2018, at 03:17, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2018 5:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 7:02:11 PM UTC, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 6/5/2018 2:48 AM, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: One objective was to

Re: Entanglement

> On 5 Jun 2018, at 05:41, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 3:25:25 AM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Monday, June 4, 2018 at 4:26:45 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 3 Jun 2018, at 23:37, agrays...@gmail.com <> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday,

Re: Entanglement

> On 5 Jun 2018, at 05:05, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > From: mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> >> >> On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:18:29 AM UTC, Bruce wrote: >> From: > >>> >>> Remember that the analysis I have given above is schematic, representing >>> the general progression of unitary evolution

Re: Primary matter

> On 5 Jun 2018, at 23:43, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2018 8:12 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> On 4 June 2018 at 20:30, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 6/4/2018 3:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Most scientists and scientifically-literate people I know assume that consciousness em

Re: Primary matter

> On 5 Jun 2018, at 23:26, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 6/5/2018 7:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> On 4 June 2018 at 23:48, Brent Meeker wrote: >>> >>> On 6/4/2018 7:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> I am very grateful for mother medicine, but >>> we should not pretend that its operativ

Re: Primary matter

> On 5 Jun 2018, at 16:58, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > On 4 June 2018 at 17:11, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 3 Jun 2018, at 20:40, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> On 2 June 2018 at 17:10, John Clark wrote: On Fri, Jun 1, 2018 at 3:15 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I'd like