Re: STEP 3

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason Resch > wrote: For example, you could, over time, change neuron by neuron, until you looked like and had the mind of Julius Caesar. I think these thought experiments need to be more carefully considered.  I don't think it

Re: STEP 3

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Thursday, July 25, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch wrote:

Re: We Are Legion We Are Bob Bobiverse Book 1

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:47:46PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > > The only other novel I can think of that treats the subject of uploading with > equal intelligence is "The Silicon Man". > > The Silicon Man by Charles Platt > There's a movie "Abre los oyos" (Open your eyes) that deals with this

Re: STEP 3

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 10:19 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Thursday, July 25, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch >>> wrote: >>> On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On

Re: We Are Legion We Are Bob Bobiverse Book 1

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:12 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > On 7/25/2019 8:02 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:48 PM John Clark wrote: > >> When I was younger I read a lot of science fiction, I don't do it so much >>

Re: We Are Legion We Are Bob Bobiverse Book 1

On 7/25/2019 8:02 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 12:48 PM John Clark > wrote: When I was younger I read a lot of science fiction, I don't do it so much anymore and technically I didn't do it this time either but I did listen to a

Re: STEP 3

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 1:06 PM Jason Resch wrote: > On Thursday, July 25, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch wrote: >> >>> On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:41 PM Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

Re: STEP 3

On Thursday, July 25, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch wrote: > >> On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:41 PM Stathis Papaioannou >>> wrote: >>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything

We Are Legion We Are Bob Bobiverse Book 1

When I was younger I read a lot of science fiction, I don't do it so much anymore and technically I didn't do it this time either but I did listen to a audio book called "We Are Legion We Are Bob" it's the first book of the Bobiverse trilogy and I really enjoyed it. You can get a free 5 minute

Re: STEP 3

On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 2:44 AM Jason Resch wrote: > On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:41 PM Stathis Papaioannou >> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >>> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>

Re: STEP 3

Seems to me that theoretical physicists can't get their story straight on gravity, dark matter and dark energy, the ad hocness of the Standard Model, the expansion "constant", and on and on. The whole subject is in shambles and many of them are too blind to see it. As Sabine Hossenfelder

Re: STEP 3

On 7/25/2019 3:23 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jul 2019, at 07:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 7/24/2019 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Note that the personal identity is not a transitive notion. Step 3 actually

Re: STEP 3

Thrift, it's the impact, over time, that a scientist has, typically, and not like what Feyerabend thought "uncivilized savages," even with Feynman at the Berkeley conference. I mean, Feyerabend, a nice guy, still served and got shot while soldiering for the 3rd Reich in Mother Russia. But, we

Re: STEP 3

"The younger generation of physicists, the *Feynmans*, the Schwingers, etc., may be very bright; they may be more intelligent than their predecessors, than Bohr, Einstein, Schrödinger, Boltzmann, Mach and so on. But they *are uncivilized savages, they lack in philosophical depth*." -- Paul

Re: STEP 3

On 7/24/2019 10:52 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:16 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: On 7/24/2019 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Note that the personal identity is not a transitive notion. Step 3

Re: STEP 3

Regarding the identity of particles: A hydrogen atom is a hydrogen atom is a hydrogen atom. “So what is this mind of ours: what are these atoms with consciousness? Last week’s potatoes! They now can remember what was going on in my mind a year ago — a mind which has long ago been replaced. To

Re: Historical contingency and the futility of reductionism

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 7:01:50 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > A bacteria is just far beyond current days technology. Even a complex > protein is beyond our technology. > > Bruno > Bacterial synthetic biology "Bacterial synthetic biology is a scientific discipline that deals with

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Thursday, July 25, 2019 at 12:43:27 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 25 Jul 2019, at 13:27, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, at 11:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >>> On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:31, Telmo Menezes > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On

Re: STEP 3

On Monday, July 22, 2019, Bruce Kellett wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 2:41 PM Stathis Papaioannou > wrote: > >> On Tue, 23 Jul 2019 at 11:50, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < >> everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >>> On 7/22/2019 1:35 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote: >>> >>> Brain

Re: Historical contingency and the futility of reductionism

> On 24 Jul 2019, at 22:11, spudboy100 via Everything List > wrote: > > I bet that biology is reducible to physics OK. Reasonable bet in the absence of string evidence to the contrary. > and the belief, since that is what it is, a belief, is one reason we have > missed the boat on the life

Re: Historical contingency and the futility of reductionism

> On 24 Jul 2019, at 12:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 4:59:35 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Biology is certainly different from physics, but that does not mean that > terrestrial biology is not conceptually reducible to physics. > > Like with

Re: Observation versus assumption

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019, at 11:06, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:31, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 17:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 7/23/2019 11:52 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >>> > >>> On Tue, Jul 23,

Re: Observation versus assumption

> On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:09, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/24/2019 2:50 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>> On 23 Jul 2019, at 00:12, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >>> >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/22/2019 7:28 AM,

Re: Observation versus assumption

> On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:31, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 17:41, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: >> >> >> On 7/23/2019 11:52 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 23, 2019, at 17:33, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List wrote: On 7/23/2019

Re: Observation versus assumption

> On 24 Jul 2019, at 20:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 1:24:37 PM UTC-5, telmo wrote: > > > On Wed, Jul 24, 2019, at 18:08, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 8:18:09 AM UTC-5, telmo wrote: >> >> Brent argues that the

Re: Observation versus assumption

> On 24 Jul 2019, at 12:57, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 5:34:38 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > The concept of “Matter” is never used in any paper in physics, only in > materialist philosophy. > > > https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02062-0 >

Re: STEP 3

> On 25 Jul 2019, at 04:20, PGC wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, July 24, 2019 at 1:28:34 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 24 Jul 2019, at 01:02, Bruce Kellett > >> wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 1:06 AM Bruno Marchal > > wrote: >> On 23 Jul 2019, at 06:45, Bruce Kellett > >>

Re: STEP 3

> On 25 Jul 2019, at 07:52, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 3:16 PM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 7/24/2019 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Note that the personal identity is not a transitive notion. Step 3

Re: STEP 3

> On 25 Jul 2019, at 07:16, 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > wrote: > > > > On 7/24/2019 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >>> Note that the personal identity is not a transitive notion. Step 3 actually >>> illustrates well this. I recall he cut and copy itself from Helsinki (H) in >>>