Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

> On 20 Oct 2019, at 08:21, Alan Grayson wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 12:14:21 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 16 Oct 2019, at 19:35, Alan Grayson > >> wrote: >> >> On Monday, October 14, 2019 at 3:50:46 PM UTC-6, Alan Grayson wrote >> >> On Monday, October 14, 2019

Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:08 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > As you cannot track the behaviour of all molecules, you are unable to > extract interference pattern from that superposition, and it will look like > a mixed state. But without collapse of the wave, the cat, the molecules and > yourself wi

Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

> On 21 Oct 2019, at 02:55, Bruce Kellett wrote: > > On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 11:35 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List > mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com>> > wrote: > On 10/20/2019 4:58 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> I thought you might say this. OK, then what function does decoherence ha

Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:18 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > > As you seem to disbelieve in the mechanist theory of mind, there is no > problem with your approach, even less if you limit yourself to the study of > local predictions FAPP. But from a fundamental science, that does not work. > Sorry Bru

Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

Probably the single big confusion that lead to the creation of materialism is the confusion between ontological states and their epistemic content. People experienced the ontological state with epistemic content of "chair outside me" and they took the epistemic content as representing an ontolo

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:24 PM Bruce Kellett wrote: *> It seems that you think you will just see Young's interference fringes > whatever you do *after* the record is made at the screen. But that is > false,* > Like hell it is! Do you actually think Zeilinger and other experimental physicists cl

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

On 10/21/2019 5:12 AM, 'Cosmin Visan' via Everything List wrote: Probably the single big confusion that lead to the creation of materialism is the confusion between ontological states and their epistemic content. People experienced the ontological state with epistemic content of "chair outsi

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

To be an immaterialist (idealist) is to assume we are already spirit (or numbers). There is no real death, because sprits (or numbers) cannot die. So it is as being in Christian Heaven of Hell. @philipthrift On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 7:12:17 AM UTC-5, Cosmin Visan wrote: > > Probably the

Re: Quantum Spacetime on a Quantum Simulator

This could be the case: There will be a multitude of formulation that combine/mutate GR and QM into a simple formulation, but no definitive decision on which one the data prefers. @philipthrift On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 7:22:59 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > This may be of interes

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On 10/21/2019 7:40 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:24 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: /> It seems that you think you will just see Young's interference fringes whatever you do *after* the record is made at the screen. But that is false,/ Li

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:41 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:24 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> It seems that you think you will just see Young's interference fringes >> whatever you do *after* the record is made at the screen. But that is >> false,* >> > > Like hell it is! Do

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On 10/21/2019 3:07 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:41 AM John Clark > wrote: On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:24 PM Bruce Kellett mailto:bhkellet...@gmail.com>> wrote: /> It seems that you think you will just see Young's interfe

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:42 AM 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > Here's a good paper analyzing the experiment and showing it's entirely > explained just by the non-local correlation which is exemplified in the > effect of the space-like measuremen

Re: Superposition Misinterpreted

On Monday, October 21, 2019 at 12:03:20 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: > > > On 10/20/2019 10:46 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: > > On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 6:35:10 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 10/20/2019 4:58 PM, Alan Grayson wrote: >> >> On Sunday, October 20, 2019 at 11:35:13 AM UTC-6, Brent wrot

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

Events are really just materials extended into the fourth dimension of time. Idealism is of course rather silly. The idea that all that exists is consciousness is a "feel good" idea that is utterly preposterous. It is a conceit that should make any reasonable person feel rather ill. We are in f

Re: Something deeply hidden in the forest

On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 1:41 AM John Clark wrote: > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 6:24 PM Bruce Kellett > wrote: > > *> It seems that you think you will just see Young's interference fringes >> whatever you do *after* the record is made at the screen. But that is >> false,* >> > > Like hell it is! Do

Re: Is idealism fundamentally unthinkable ?

Prove there is something outside consciousness! On Tuesday, 22 October 2019 03:27:03 UTC+3, Lawrence Crowell wrote: > > > Idealism is of course rather silly. The idea that all that exists is > consciousness is a "feel good" idea that is utterly preposterous. > > -- You received this message bec