Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
for atheists who fight with Church and forget to check what one can find among AI studies. Evgenii 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:59 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 1:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... At the Occam's time, realists were people who have believed that universals exist. Occam has

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... Presumably his positions

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 22:06 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:51 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: ... Are you a follower of La Rouche? I do not see such opposition between Plato and Aristotle . Aristotle believed in essences and ideas and in the the inner sense of what is right,

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 3:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 22:14 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/20/2013 4:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi

Re: True?

2013-03-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.03.2013 12:44 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/21/2013 7:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 21.03.2013 12:20 Stephen P. King said the following: ... How do we forget what we cannot even know that we know? As far as I know, that's the main Sartre's point. You just start

Re: True?

2013-03-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Since I´m more in the side of Aquinas/Aristotle -or even Plato sometimes- I don not share the Occam views.Occam was a nominalist, that is rejected the existence of universals, he did not like to think in terms universals, because if

Re: True?

2013-03-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 20.03.2013 20:18 meekerdb said the following: On 3/20/2013 2:22 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 22:25 Alberto G. Corona said the following: ... I see a bit of irony in the fact that people who believe in physical reality often call to a principle developed by Occam. What's

Re: Dartmouth neuroscientist finds free will has neural basis

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.03.2013 21:02 John Mikes said the following: friends: don't put so much brain-grease into Free Will, please! It is the religious mambo-jumbo put into the mind of the poor-believers in ancient times to make them responsible for deeds the powerful disliked - and consequently: make them

Re: Losing Control

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.03.2013 02:05 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: If you say that free will is compatible with determinism then you are an compatibilist, otherwise you are an incompatibilist. Why do you try to make the

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 18.03.2013 19:39 Bruno Marchal said the following: Hi Roger, On 18 Mar 2013, at 12:48, Roger Clough wrote: Since mind is an MQS or Multiple Quantum Superposition, it can process information at the rate of a quantum computer. Since you seem to talk philosophy, let me translate what you

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.03.2013 12:39 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2013, at 10:48, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.03.2013 19:39 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... 1) show me a human as good as a quantum computer for finding a needle in a haystack. Could you show me a quantum computer

Re: Mind is a quantum computer

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.03.2013 16:38 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2013, at 15:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.03.2013 12:39 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 19 Mar 2013, at 10:48, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 18.03.2013 19:39 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... 1) show me a human

Re: True?

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.03.2013 18:37 Alberto G. Corona said the following: No. ... Then, to escape the Feyerabend trap, there is necessary additional criteria, such is the economy of axioms or the Occam Razor as criteria for theory acceptance. Fortunately it works, because it seems that we live in a simple,

Re: G.K. Chesterton on Materialism

2013-03-19 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.03.2013 19:17 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Tuesday, March 19, 2013 1:38:21 PM UTC-4, John Clark wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Intimate relation is not causality. The stock market has been famously been related

Investigations into the Applicability of Geometry

2013-01-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have read a thesis Douglas Bertrand Marshall, Investigations into the Applicability of Geometry, Ph.D. Thesis, Harvard University (2011) http://www.tc.umn.edu/~dmarshal/ where the author considers views of Aristotle, Galileo and Leibniz on the relationship between Geometry and Nature. The

Re: Physarum machine

2013-01-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.12.2012 13:45 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 26 Dec 2012, at 12:45, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have recently seen a paper on a Physarum machine A Adamatzky Physarum machine: implementation of a Kolmogorov-Uspensky machine on a biological substrate http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0703128

Re: Galileo, Inchofer, and Popper

2013-01-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 02.01.2013 21:01 meekerdb said the following: On 1/2/2013 10:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: A nice quote from Galileo by John L. Heilbron that shows: 1) One could trace the falsifiability to Jesuits of Galileo's time. 2) It could be a link between falsifiability and theology. p. 318

Galileo, Inchofer, and Popper

2013-01-02 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A nice quote from Galileo by John L. Heilbron that shows: 1) One could trace the falsifiability to Jesuits of Galileo's time. 2) It could be a link between falsifiability and theology. p. 318 ‘However, false is not useless. The motion supposed by Copernicus can be employed in calculations,

Physarum machine

2012-12-26 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have recently seen a paper on a Physarum machine A Adamatzky Physarum machine: implementation of a Kolmogorov-Uspensky machine on a biological substrate http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0703128 The author also has a book on this theme: Physarum Machines: Computers from Slime Mould. Any comment?

Interesting facts about Galileo

2012-12-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I listen to Galileo by John L. Heilbron. Below are two interesting facts from the book together with links that I have found in Internet. 1) Galileo about Inferno Galileo has started his scientific career with a speech about how Inferno looks like where he has applied his mathematical genius

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.11.2012 17:10 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Perhaps strings might better model materials and their behavior than current chemistry and materials science can. And suggest the possibioity of creating new materials (composistes) as well as explaining little understood

Re: It's an imperfect world

2012-11-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.11.2012 12:17 Roger Clough said the following: I spent a career at NIST studying the resulting effects on strength. Do you know John Hastie and David Bonnell? I have been once an year with them at NIST. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.11.2012 16:21 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Richard Ruquist Engineering advantages ? A decade before the Wright brothers flew their airplane, people would have said, You're going to do WHAT ? I guess this is a very good example, as the Wright brothers have just done it. I am not

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-05 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 05.11.2012 21:49 meekerdb said the following: On 11/5/2012 1:32 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 22:03 meekerdb said the following: On 11/4/2012 1:18 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable alternatives: o that either the point about isomorphism and mathematics is mistaken, or o that scientific representation

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 00:47 Alberto G. Corona said the following: : Is there something that I could know to be the case, and which is not expressed by a proposition that could be part of some scientific theory? Yes . I love my mother is some knowledge that I know , and is not part of a scientific

Re: Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-04 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 04.11.2012 08:37 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Sun, Nov 4, 2012 at 2:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 04.11.2012 02:58 meekerdb said the following: On 11/3/2012 2:01 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... p. 210 We seem to be left with four equally unpalatable

Weyl on mathematics vs. reality

2012-11-03 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Some more quotes from Bas C Van Fraassen Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective. This time on what Weyl has said on isomorphism between mathematics and reality. p. 208 Herman Weyl expressed the fundamental insight as follows in 1934: 'A science can never determine its

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following: On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model for a typical model. A map is in the objective world, as well as a scientific model, but to use the map one has to find out where

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.10.2012 16:25 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 30 Oct 2012, at 12:53, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... You talk for example about integers as a framework for everything. Fine. Yet, I would like to understand how mankind through it development has invented integers. How comp would help

What is reality

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
A nice video http://www.newscientist.com/video/1872152752001-what-is-reality.html You have to ignore a short sponsor message at the beginning. Evgenii P.S. I have found it by http://magpie73.livejournal.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.11.2012 18:00 meekerdb said the following: On 11/1/2012 5:03 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 30.10.2012 17:08 meekerdb said the following: On 10/30/2012 4:45 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... In this chapter, Van Fraassen has considered a map as a model for a typical model. A map

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-11-01 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 01.11.2012 18:30 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 01 Nov 2012, at 11:09, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... “Absolute Spirit is the fundamental reality. But in order to create the world, the Absolute manifests itself, or goes out of itself in a sense, the Absolute forgets itself and empties

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.10.2012 20:44 meekerdb said the following: On 10/29/2012 11:33 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following: On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-30 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 30.10.2012 11:26 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 29 Oct 2012, at 18:21, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 45 Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic

Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 45 Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic, mathematical modeling must inevitably be a distortion of what is modeled, although models actually constructed

Re: Self-ascription and Perfect Model Model

2012-10-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.10.2012 19:21 meekerdb said the following: On 10/29/2012 10:21 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Some more quotes from From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 45 Agreed, we cannot demonstrate that in principle, as a matter of logic, mathematical

On mathematical modeling

2012-10-28 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
From Scientific Representation: Paradoxes of Perspective by Bas C Van Fraassen. p. 40 'Of course the story is apocryphal, that a professional gambler funded a mathematician to analyze horse-racing, and was thoroughly unhappy with the report that began Let each horse be a perfect sphere,

Re: Predictive physiological anticipation preceding seemingly unpredictable stimuli: a meta-analysis

2012-10-27 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.10.2012 20:31 meekerdb said the following: On 10/24/2012 5:31 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: http://www.frontiersin.org/Perception_Science/10.3389/fpsyg.2012.00390/abstract Comments? Woo-woo. Small effect sizes which are *statistically* significant are indicative of bias errors. I'd

Re: Continuous Game of Life

2012-10-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 21.10.2012 10:05 Stathis Papaioannou said the following: On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: ... I don't think that is true. The other way around makes just as much sense of not more: Reading Chinese is a simple behavior which drives the behavior

Representation Of, Representation As

2012-10-18 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have started reading Scientific Representation by Bas C Van Fraasen and I have just finished the first chapter, Representation Of, Representation As. Here there is a discussion what we mean by representation in a normal language. The author defends that a representation is p. 21 Z uses X

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 14.10.2012 01:46 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 12:16:06PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Another question here would be who will divide the state space to a bacterium and environment. Let us imagine that we have implemented somehow a bacterium in Game of Life

Which of Our Basic Physical Assumptions Are Wrong?

2012-10-14 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Contest by FQXi http://www.fqxi.org/community/essay Click Read the contest entries to find it out. Evgenii -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.10.2012 22:54 Russell Standish said the following: On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 08:23:33AM -0400, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Russell Standish Life cannot survive without making choices, like where to go next. To avoid an enemy. To get food. This act of life obviously requires an autonomous

Re: Survey of Consciousness Models

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.10.2012 21:45 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 3:27:52 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... Then there is Reductive Physicalisms: Mental states are identical to physical states. It is not functionalism though, as everything goes through physical

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard. Consciousness in Cognitive Architectures A Principled

Re: Conscious robots

2012-10-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.10.2012 11:36 Evgenii Rudnyi said the following: On 26.09.2012 20:35 meekerdb said the following: An interesting paper which comports with my idea that the problem of consciousness will be solved by engineering. Or John Clark's point that consciousness is easy, intelligence is hard

Re: Survey of Consciousness Models

2012-10-10 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.10.2012 17:16 Craig Weinberg said the following: http://s33light.org/post/33296583824 Have a look. Objections? Suggestions? I am not sure if vitalism is a model of consciousness. Eliminativism is not Epiphenomenalism. The small difference is that epiphenomenalism assumes mental

Re: The real reasons we don’t have AGI yet

2012-10-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.10.2012 20:45 Alberto G. Corona said the following: Deutsch is right about the need to advance in Popperian epistemology, which ultimately is evolutionary epistemology. You may want to read Three Worlds by Karl Popper. Then you see where to Popperian epistemology can evolve. “To sum

Re: Maxwell on Metaphysics and Theology

2012-10-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.10.2012 14:04 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi He's got it all mixed up. Physics deals with objects extended in space. Things. Metaphysics deals with inextended objects. Ideas. Yet, he was able to develop the theory of electromagnetism. Evgenii -- You received

Re: Maxwell on Metaphysics and Theology

2012-10-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.10.2012 14:44 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi I know that, but his theory of electromagnetism is a physical theory, even if it's hard to pin down the extension property. Physical theories can tell us nothing about philosophy or mind or God, since they cannot deal

Maxwell on Metaphysics and Theology

2012-10-06 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have read a nice paper Jordi Cat Into the ‘regions of physical and metaphysical chaos’: Maxwell’s scientific metaphysics and natural philosophy of action (agency, determinacy and necessity from theology, moral philosophy and history to mathematics, theory and experiment) Studies in History

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.09.2012 18:23 meekerdb said the following: On 9/24/2012 2:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Sep 2012, at 18:33, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 23.09.2012 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 Sep 2012, at 09:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.09.2012 22:49 meekerdb said

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-29 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 29.09.2012 21:28 meekerdb said the following: On 9/29/2012 5:43 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: I have understood Brent in such a way that when engineers develop a robot they must just care about functionality to achieve and they can ignore consciousness at all. Whether it appears in the robot

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.09.2012 22:49 meekerdb said the following: On 9/22/2012 6:29 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.09.2012 14:58 Bruno Marchal said the following: ... It is part of what a machine is that we cannot know what we are doing in building them, so human might as well build a conscious machine

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.09.2012 15:05 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Phenomena are the how physical processes appear to our senses. So they are appearances, not the processes themselves. But scientific experiments and measurements are not made on the appearances, they are made

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-23 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.09.2012 16:51 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 23 Sep 2012, at 09:31, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.09.2012 22:49 meekerdb said the following: ... In the past, Bruno has said that a machine that understands transfinite induction will be conscious. But being conscious

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.09.2012 11:48 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Craig Weinberg I would classify your items as follows: MENTAL (outside of spacetime) : All experiences, dreams, delusions, information, mathematics, logic, time, space, feelings, thoughts, ideas, numbers, life itself, God, monads,

Re: Physics, Metaphysics, and Realism

2012-09-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.09.2012 14:09 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Following Leibniz and Kant, what we see in the case of the table is a well-grounded phenomenon. That is, we do not see the table itself, but as it appears to our senses. But the table is not an illusion, it really

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.09.2012 14:58 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 21 Sep 2012, at 21:27, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 19.09.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following: On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile system happens as by-product of its

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-21 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 19.09.2012 00:57 meekerdb said the following: On 9/17/2012 11:27 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Do you mean that the meaning in a guided missile system happens as by-product of its development by engineers? To me, it seems that meaning that you have defined in Mars Rovers is yet another theory

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.09.2012 21:55 meekerdb said the following: On 9/16/2012 12:44 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 15.09.2012 21:56 meekerdb said the following: On 9/15/2012 9:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/15/2012 4:11 AM, Russell Standish wrote: ... Hi Russell, That is far too inclusive

Re: Alice and Wittgenstein: Materialism, Functionalism, and Comp

2012-09-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.09.2012 21:56 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/16/2012 12:34 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Craig, You may want to look at Galen Strawson, Selves: An Essay in Revisionary Metaphysics He proves that selves exist. Interestingly enough he does it based on the materialist framework. p

Re: Alice and Wittgenstein: Materialism, Functionalism, and Comp

2012-09-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.09.2012 23:51 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/16/2012 2:42 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... According to Strawson, what exists as a thing is SUBJECT OF EXPERIENCE-AS-SINGLE-MENTAL-THING for short SESMET. Hence no contradiction. Evgenii OK! Then Strawson cannot claim

Re: Alice and Wittgenstein: Materialism, Functionalism, and Comp

2012-09-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 17.09.2012 13:20 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Craig and Evgenii, Thanks for the suggestion to look at Strawson. IMHO Unfortunately he starts off with the wacky assumption that the self is physical. Garbage in, garbage out. What he means by physical is might be different thought. I

Re: Before the automobile: Reconstructed global temperature over thepast 420,000 years

2012-09-17 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.09.2012 22:11 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/16/2012 12:43 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... If you look at Germany, you see that you are not quite right. It is better to see this, as usually, a fight for resources between different interest groups, in this case for example

Re: questions on machines, belief, awareness, and knowledge

2012-09-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 15.09.2012 21:56 meekerdb said the following: On 9/15/2012 9:35 AM, Stephen P. King wrote: On 9/15/2012 4:11 AM, Russell Standish wrote: ... Hi Russell, That is far too inclusive a definition of computation. Not really, it only requires some way of representing the information such

Re: Alice and Wittgenstein: Materialism, Functionalism, and Comp

2012-09-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Craig, You may want to look at Galen Strawson, Selves: An Essay in Revisionary Metaphysics He proves that selves exist. Interestingly enough he does it based on the materialist framework. p. 11 “For the moment, though, the brief is to show that selves exist, and that they’re things or

Re: Before the automobile: Reconstructed global temperature over thepast 420,000 years

2012-09-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.09.2012 18:29 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/16/2012 8:55 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Stephen P. King I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THORIUM REACTORS BUT THERE ARE MANY DOUBTERS (CERTAINLY GREENIES AMONG THEM) THAT THEY WOULD WORK. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net

Re: Alice and Wittgenstein: Materialism, Functionalism, and Comp

2012-09-16 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 16.09.2012 19:03 Craig Weinberg said the following: On Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:34:47 PM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Craig, You may want to look at Galen Strawson, Selves: An Essay in Revisionary Metaphysics He proves that selves exist. Interestingly enough he does it based

Re: Fwd: [4DWorldx] thanks to Moon I found this creazy story abouthead transplants

2012-09-13 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have not joined Vimeo. I can watch the video directly on the linked page. It does not work for you this way? Evgenii On 13.09.2012 14:03 Roger Clough said the following: Hi Evgenii Rudnyi Sorry, I refused to join Vimeo because they wanted too much information. And I find terms of service

Re: Fwd: [4DWorldx] thanks to Moon I found this creazy story about head transplants

2012-09-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
This is actually an old story: Head Transplant: The Truly Disturbing Truly Real Story http://vimeo.com/20230127 Evgenii On 12.09.2012 05:07 Richard Ruquist said the following: When I read this I thought of you all. Richard -- Forwarded message -- From: Annapanth...@mail.com

Re: The All

2012-09-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.09.2012 19:45 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Dear Evgenii, You are asking me to explain to you in English the way the relevant part of your brain generates the particular

Re: The All

2012-09-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, I will try to explain. An idea is an abstract image, IMHO. For example, consider all possible objects that have some

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.09.2012 20:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/7/2012 1:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.09.2012 22:22 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, Consider the mental image that a person suffering from anorexia has of themselves. It is distorted and false. How does this happen? Consider the Placebo effect and its complement, the Nocebo effect. Are they not examples

Re: fairness and sustainability

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 12:35 Roger Clough said the following: Hi John Mikes Here's the dilemma: Unfortunately, any system -- with the exception of the oil-rich countries (where fairness would seem to be hard to define) -- that is completely fair is unsustainable. Capitalism, like it or not, is the only

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have written behind instead of in the mirror just to better describe my experience). How could you describe this phenomenon by means of res cogitans

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 14:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have written behind instead of in the mirror just

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 15:27 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say that the image in the mirror is a visual illusion created presumably by the brain. Don't you agree? Then it is exactly a relationship between mental and physical states

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 18:10 meekerdb said the following: On 9/8/2012 12:38 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.09.2012 20:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/7/2012 1:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... This could work provided we could separate the world into mental and physical states. The question

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 11:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 15:27 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say that the image in the mirror is a visual illusion created presumably

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This is a confusion of levels. Logic is rules

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.09.2012 13:43 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/7/2012 4:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws

Re: On (platonic) intuition

2012-08-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 24.08.2012 21:59 John Clark said the following: On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: Could you please tell me what an algorithm in a self-driving car is responsible for intuition? Any algorithm based on stochastics or heuristics, in other words most

Re: The hypocracy of materialism

2012-08-25 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 25.08.2012 23:32 meekerdb said the following: On 8/25/2012 2:26 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 25.08.2012 22:25 meekerdb said the following: On 8/23/2012 1:04 PM, Quentin Anciaux wrote: The hardest part of the mind/body problem is figuring out exactly what the mind/body problem

Re: On (platonic) intuition

2012-08-24 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 23.08.2012 21:33 John Clark said the following: On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:01 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: Do computers have intuition ? Certainly. The self driving cars that the people at Google and others have had so much success with lately wouldn't work without intuition;

Neurolaw

2012-08-20 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
I have listened to Philosophy of Science: Bolinda Beginner Guides by Geoffrey Gorham. The author has mentioned about a new discipline, neurolaw and I believe that could be useful for the ongoing discussion on the free will. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurolaw Neurolaw is an emerging field

Gödel on the Foundations of Mathematics

2012-08-15 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
After browsing Leibnitz' Monadology (Roger, thanks for the link), I have checked what else is available on marxists.org. It happens that marxists have quite a nice library available. I have even found an interesting paper of Gödel. There he claims that Husserl will help us to find out what

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 07:18 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 08:53 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 08:28:42AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Okay. Let us take then a self-driving car. Is it intelligent? Evgenii Could be. A self-driving car that navigates a simple environment with beacons and constrained tracks

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 08:39 meekerdb said the following: On 8/11/2012 11:28 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 12.08.2012 07:18 Russell Standish said the following: On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 04:22:44PM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 11.08.2012 15:13 Stephen P. King said the following: On 8/11/2012 4:30 AM

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 09:45 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 08:48:06AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Please look at self-driving cars from the Standford course on AI: http://blog.rudnyi.ru/2011/12/self-driving-cars.html The question however, how you define intelligence so

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 11:06 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 11 Aug 2012, at 10:30, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 11:38 Russell Standish said the following: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 10:05:20AM +0200, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: However, without such a measure, a statement that life is mostly unintelligent is ill-defined. Informal perhaps, but hardly ill-defined. Much the same could be said about

Re: Stephen Hawking: Philosophy is Dead

2012-08-12 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 12.08.2012 16:24 Bruno Marchal said the following: On 12 Aug 2012, at 11:45, Russell Standish wrote: On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 11:01:09AM +0200, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Aug 2012, at 09:45, Russell Standish wrote: Nevertheless, randomness is a key component of free will. So comp is

Re: Definitions of intelligence possibly useful to computers in AI or describing life

2012-08-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 10.08.2012 00:55 Russell Standish said the following: The point being that life need not be intelligent. In fact 999.9% of life (but whatever measure, numbers, biomass etc) is unintelligent. The study of artificial life by the same reason need not be a study of artitificial intelligence,

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