Re: Scott Aaronson vs. Max Tegmark

2014-03-25 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 8:23:10 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 07:34:56PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: Unless, indeed, or just in part, but he acknowledged my work in some draft he sent me, then they disappeared in the public version, making him

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-03-25 Thread Joseph Knight
is fixed by nature. The substitution level seems to be fixed by mathematics. They both may be the same: nature and math, that is. Richard Bruno Richard On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Bruno Marchal mar...@ulb.ac.bejavascript: wrote: On 24 Mar 2014, at 00:43, Joseph Knight

Re: [foar] COMP = no cloning?

2014-03-25 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 3/25/2014 6:52 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: It is trivially a theorem of COMP, since the existence of such a substitution level is the COMP axiom itself. If COMP is true, then the substitution level is unknowable (although it can

Re: Quick question

2013-07-25 Thread Joseph Knight
So is physics best understood as a computer program with access to a random oracle? (Coming from 1-indeterminacy.) On Mar 31, 2013 8:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 31 Mar 2013, at 01:15, Joseph Knight wrote: Sorry for the vagueness of my question; I would not count pi

Quick question

2013-03-30 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Quick question

2013-03-30 Thread Joseph Knight
=noncomputability of physics but I'm wondering what exactly this would mean in practice. On Mar 30, 2013 6:53 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote: On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 04:15:54PM -0700, Joseph Knight wrote: True or False: COMP implies that any fundamental physical constant is non

Re: Re: [FOM] From theorems of infinity to axioms of infinity

2013-03-21 Thread Joseph Knight
It's a good discussion. In fact I've been independently thinking about the matter of Dedekind's original argument as it's discussed in Webb's book Mechanism, Mentalism, and Metamathematics (a book Bruno has referred to multiple times on this list). Does anyone know of other attempts to prove

Born Rule in MWI

2013-02-21 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Born Rule in MWI

2013-02-21 Thread Joseph Knight
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:56 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 2/21/2013 7:10 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: Question: Why is the derivation* of the Born Rule in (Everett, 1957) not considered satisfactory**? *Everett shows that the amplitude-squared rule for subjective probability

Re: Autonomy?

2012-06-04 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: free will and mathematics

2012-05-29 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-22 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: The limit of all computations

2012-05-22 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 11:08 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 5/22/2012 10:56 AM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 7:36 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 5/21/2012 6:26 PM, Russell Standish wrote: snip Hi Russell, I once thought

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-04-04 Thread Joseph Knight
Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2012, at 1:45 PM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.com wrote: 2012/4/4 Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be On 04 Apr 2012, at 18:26, John Clark wrote: On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:58 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: You confuse consciousness of

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-27 Thread Joseph Knight
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 3/23/2012 3:44 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 3/21/2012 8:16 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen P

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-21 Thread Joseph Knight
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: No, my critique is that you seem to not see a problem with the fact that COMP shows that the physical world is epiphenomena and thus unnecessary. I see this as denying the mere possibility of observational

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-21 Thread Joseph Knight
. It is just a crazy idea at this point.) Yes, I understand what the constructs are, and I see how Pratt is making an interesting analogy, but I don't see the justification for his conclusions about the mind-body problem. But I haven't finished grokking the article. -- Joseph Knight -- You received

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-19 Thread Joseph Knight
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 3/18/2012 11:49 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: Dear Joseph, Could you elaborate exactly where this is covered in the COMP

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-19 Thread Joseph Knight
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 9:42 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 3/19/2012 3:16 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 12:20 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 3/18/2012 11:49 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 10:38 PM

Re: Theology or not theology (Re: COMP theology)

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: COMP test (ontology of COMP)

2012-03-02 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: COMP test

2012-02-27 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: COMP test

2012-02-27 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: COMP test

2012-02-27 Thread Joseph Knight
On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Feb 27, 3:15 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, ronaldheld ronaldh...@gmail.com wrote: What observations or measurements can I perform that would falsify COMP

Re: COMP test

2012-02-27 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: On Pre-existing Fields

2012-02-14 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: On Pre-existing Fields

2012-02-14 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 2/14/2012 10:25 AM, Joseph Knight wrote: [SPK] The flaw is the entire structure of UDA+MGA, it assumes the existence of the very thing that is claims cannot exist. It is a theory that predicts

Re: COMP, MGA and Time

2012-02-13 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: COMP theology

2012-02-13 Thread Joseph Knight
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 9:24 AM, David Nyman da...@davidnyman.com wrote: On 13 February 2012 01:18, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote: Yes it is, with the Movie Graph Argument. The MGA shows that assuming COMP, consciousness cannot be explained by appealing to any physical system

Re: COMP, MGA and Time

2012-02-13 Thread Joseph Knight
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 2/13/2012 12:11 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: I think you should probably read Maudlin's paperhttp://www.finney.org/%7Ehal/maudlin.pdffor specifics. I don't think thermodynamics will have much to do

Re: COMP theology

2012-02-12 Thread Joseph Knight
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 2/11/2012 5:09 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 2/11/2012 6:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 11 Feb 2012, at 07:32, Stephen P

Re: COMP theology

2012-02-12 Thread Joseph Knight
On Sun, Feb 12, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 11 Feb 2012, at 23:09, Joseph Knight wrote: On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 11:41 AM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: The diagram is strictly 3p. It would be helpful if you wrote up an informal

Re: COMP theology

2012-02-11 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: COMP theology (was: Ontological Problems of COMP)

2012-02-11 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-01-31 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-01-31 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Stephen P. King stephe...@charter.netwrote: On 1/31/2012 12:48 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Quentin Anciaux allco...@gmail.comwrote: 2012/1/31 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com On Jan 31, 11:46 am, Quentin Anciaux

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-01-31 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote: I agree with your point about thinking outside the box, but barring some astronomically improbable stroke of luck, it would be necessary for Craig

Re: Superfluous Qualia Challenge For Comp

2012-01-31 Thread Joseph Knight
On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote: On Jan 31, 2:33 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 1:12 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 31, 1:18 pm, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.com wrote: I

Re: Mind-reading-device-could-become-reality

2012-01-31 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: The Computing Spacetime

2012-01-21 Thread Joseph Knight
On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 20 Jan 2012, at 07:17, Joseph Knight wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: Stephen, Ronald, The paper is very interesting, on physics, but succumbs directly from

Re: The Computing Spacetime

2012-01-19 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-30 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-27 Thread Joseph Knight
On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 3:44 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 26 Dec 2011, at 05:47, Joseph Knight wrote: On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 23 Dec 2011, at 20:16, Joseph Knight wrote: The same problem arises in *Part 2*. Bruno

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-23 Thread Joseph Knight
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 22 Dec 2011, at 23:27, Joseph Knight wrote: Hello everyone and everything, I have pompously made my own thread for this, even though we have another MGA thread going, because the other one (sigh, I created that one

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-23 Thread Joseph Knight
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 04:27:28PM -0600, Joseph Knight wrote: Regarding Maudlin’s argument: Russell has recently stated that Maudlin’s argument doesn’t work in a multiverse, and that consciousness is thus

Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-22 Thread Joseph Knight
.) Intelligence is tricky, as it has the notion of counterfactual bound up within its definition. But there is no *a priori *reason to assume this to be the case for consciousness. -- Joseph Knight -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Everything List group. To post

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-22 Thread Joseph Knight
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, I found your post very interesting. While I agree with your conclusion, how I get there is a little different. I think that at the time all of Alice's neuronal firings are triggered by random particles she is

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-22 Thread Joseph Knight
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 10:34 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 6:13 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.comwrote: Joseph, I found your post very interesting. While I agree

Re: Movie Graph Argument: A Refutation

2011-12-22 Thread Joseph Knight
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:08 PM, Jason Resch jasonre...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Joseph Knight joseph.9...@gmail.comwrote: I am truly agnostic. I really have no earthly idea. But assuming computationalism, as in the MGA, I have to say yes. With this assumption

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-16 Thread Joseph Knight
If Maudlin’s argument is a foundation of the UDA, then it seems to me the UDA is on shaky ground, though I have yet to investigate the MGA in depth. People talk about the Movie Graph Argument, but the links provided refer to Alice and a distant supernova with lucky rays that substitute for

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-14 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-14 Thread Joseph Knight
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/14/2011 10:40 AM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Kim Jones kimjo...@ozemail.com.auwrote: Any chance someone might précis for me/us dummies out here in maybe 3 sentences what Tim Maudlin's

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-14 Thread Joseph Knight
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:11 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/14/2011 2:09 PM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:51 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 12/14/2011 10:40 AM, Joseph Knight wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Kim Jones kimjo

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-13 Thread Joseph Knight
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Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-11 Thread Joseph Knight
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 6:39 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Dec 2011, at 19:47, Joseph Knight wrote: On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Dec 2011, at 06:30, Joseph Knight wrote: Hi Bruno I was cruising the web when I stumbled

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-09 Thread Joseph Knight
On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be wrote: On 09 Dec 2011, at 06:30, Joseph Knight wrote: Hi Bruno I was cruising the web when I stumbled upon a couple of PDFs by Jean-Paul Delahaye criticizing your work. (PDF 1http://www2.lifl.fr/~delahaye/dnalor/UDA2010.pdf

Re: Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-09 Thread Joseph Knight
On Sat, Dec 10, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.auwrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 12:47:32PM -0600, Joseph Knight wrote (to Bruno): Could you elaborate on the 323 principle? It sounds like a qualm that I also have had, to an extent, with the MGA and also with Tim

Movie Graph Argument

2011-12-08 Thread Joseph Knight
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Hello Everything List

2011-12-06 Thread Joseph Knight
Hello Everything List, My name is Joseph Knight. This is my first post. Like most of you, I am interested in math, philosophy, science I've been lurking on this list for around 6 months now, absorbing what the people here have to say about life, the universe, and everything. My view