Dear Samiya,
I do not want to put you on the spot, indeed.
Thank you for a decent and comprehensive reply.
What I referred to as "#1, #17 and #18" were references to YOUR
post (as your 'numbered' verses from the Q'uran).
I do not believe such discussion may ever result in a reasonable
conclusi
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slipped through.
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Your graph shows the result of arctic sea ice disappearing while antarctic sea
ice has been increasing. These can bot
On 5/24/2015 3:31 AM, LizR wrote:
Your graph shows the result of arctic sea ice disappearing while antarctic sea ice has
been increasing. These can both be reasonably ascribed to climate change - less sea ice
in the arctic means it's melting, more in the antarctic means it's coming off the ice
Your graph shows the result of arctic sea ice disappearing while antarctic
sea ice has been increasing. These can both be reasonably ascribed to
climate change - less sea ice in the arctic means it's melting, more in the
antarctic means it's coming off the ice cap into the sea because the ice
cap i
John M,
I'm not sure I understand your questions. Can you kindly quote #1, #17 & #18 so
that I can try to respond to it?
By the way, this thread started with a discussion about global warming, and I
shared a news from European Space Agency regarding Glacial Melt in Antarctica.
Is that an authe
On 5/23/2015 1:44 PM, John Mikes wrote:
Samiya,
so far I kept out from the 'opposition' and tried to comply within my own
agnosticism.
Now I get tired of all that fairitale-discussion and ask some questions.
LizR asked:
*/"'Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do? " /*
I start ear
Samiya,
so far I kept out from the 'opposition' and tried to comply within my own
agnosticism.
Now I get tired of all that fairitale-discussion and ask some questions.
LizR asked:
*"'Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do? " *
I start earlier:* Does "God" give any suggestions why
On Sat, May 23, 2015 Samiya Illias wrote:
> While reading the Quran this morning
Were you looking for loopholes?
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On Fri, May 22, 2015 meekerdb wrote:
> The polar ice has been shifting from north to south for decades. The
> losses and gains essentially balance out.
I know, and as far as sea levels are concerned the southern polar ice cap
is far more important than the northern one; the northern ice cap is
On Wed, May 13, 2015 at 2:23 AM, Samiya Illias
wrote:
>
>
> On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR wrote:
>
> On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
>
>> 1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of Earth and
>> hence are responsible for the welfare of the Earth and all in it
Hello Samya,
On 22 May 2015, at 10:15, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno,
Consider this verse:
Holy Quran 41:52
--
قُلْ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِنْ كَانَ مِنْ
عِنْدِ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ كَفَرْتُمْ بِهِ
مَنْ أَضَلُّ مِمَّنْ هُوَ فِي شِقَاقٍ
بَعِيدٍ
Say, "Have you considered: if the Qur'an is fr
Bruno,
Consider this verse:
Holy Quran 41:52
--
قُلْ أَرَأَيْتُمْ إِنْ كَانَ مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ ثُمَّ كَفَرْتُمْ بِهِ مَنْ
أَضَلُّ مِمَّنْ هُوَ فِي شِقَاقٍ بَعِيدٍ
Say, "Have you considered: if the Qur'an is from Allah and you disbelieved in
it, who would be more astray than o
On 20 May 2015, at 09:23, Samiya Illias wrote:
Well, if you wish, we all could read together the Quran verse by
verse on this list and discuss our understanding of what the verse
is saying. With our diverse backgrounds, we can certainly share our
insights - Platonist, Aristotelian, Scienti
Ah! The poem has an interesting pedigree.
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I was making a teensy little Leonard Cohen joke. Having to explain jokes kills
them but just s
Well, if you wish, we all could read together the Quran verse by verse on this
list and discuss our understanding of what the verse is saying. With our
diverse backgrounds, we can certainly share our insights - Platonist,
Aristotelian, Scientific, Etc. and perhaps find and focus on what's common
I was making a teensy little Leonard Cohen joke. Having to explain jokes
kills them but just so you know...("what everybody knows...")
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everybody_Knows_(Leonard_Cohen_song)
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Yeah,
Yeah, he's good.
I guess everybody knows that...
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uture, baby
It is murder.
Things are going to slide
When they said repent repent
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I feel a strange desire to quote Roger Waters.
On 18 May 2015, at 18:15, Samiya Illias wrote:
On 18-May-2015, at 7:24 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 13 May 2015, at 08:23, Samiya Illias wrote:
On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR wrote:
On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias
wrote:
1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made
I feel a strange desire to quote Roger Waters.
What God wants God gets God help us all
What God wants God gets (repeated)
> The kid in the corner looked at the priest
> And fingered his pale blue Japanese guitar
> The priest said:
> God wants goodness
> God wants light
> God wants mayhem
> God wa
> On 18-May-2015, at 7:24 am, Bruno Marchal wrote:
>
>
>> On 13 May 2015, at 08:23, Samiya Illias wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR wrote:
>>>
On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of Earth a
On 13 May 2015, at 08:23, Samiya Illias wrote:
On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR wrote:
On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias
wrote:
1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of
Earth and hence are responsible for the welfare of the Earth and
all in it
2) The Quran
you feel
>that climate catastrophe is not imminent, then you logically must conclude
>that the threat is real, but exaggerated. On this, you likely are co
rrect.
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On 14 May 2015 at 13:36, spudboy100 via Everything List <
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> Yes, liz. Eliminate oil subsidies unless its for applied science. Aka
> engineering development. Being a brutal libertarian, let it do the
> darwinian two-step, that we all as individuals must do.
, May 13, 2015 08:38 PM
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But oil (for example) is also subsidised. It doesn't pay environmental costs,
for a start.
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ren't!
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On 5/10/2015 6:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> Brent, very true
in the sense that I was illustrating (joking) to Liz (a t
to, the Spanish El Gordo, the Irish
Sweepstakes, the Belaggio.
I don't know if Sterinharts' ideas can promote calm, but it makes me wonder.
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On 12 May 2015 at 22:04, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Well your eyes must be very old indeed, because met
e
Do you need names from the EPA, or Obama's Physicist Moniz??
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On 12 May 2015 at 22:00, spudboy100 via Everything List
wrote
to waste" - Obama's leitenant, Rahm Emmanuel.
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On 5/12/2015 3:00 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Well, th
> On 12-May-2015, at 9:39 pm, LizR wrote:
>
>> On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
>> 1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of Earth and
>> hence are responsible for the welfare of the Earth and all in it
>> 2) The Quran also tells us that we will be held acc
On 5/10/2015 6:02 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Brent, very true in the sense that I was illustrating (joking) to Liz (a terrible
Kiwi!), that the hockey stick, the predictions for a tropical Britian, did not come
about. Hence, the constant name changing and re-selling of global warm
On 13 May 2015 at 14:29, Samiya Illias wrote:
> 1) The Quran reminds us that humans have been made Incharge of Earth and
> hence are responsible for the welfare of the Earth and all in it
> 2) The Quran also tells us that we will be held accountable for all that
> we've been gifted with, hence th
> On 12-May-2015, at 7:31 pm, LizR wrote:
>
> The problem with climate change is that it's a "tragedy of the commons" - it
> doesn't confer much accountability on most people, who if they forewent all
> the emissions made in their name would have no noticeable impact - only those
> who are i
On 5/12/2015 5:31 PM, LizR wrote:
The problem with climate change is that it's a "tragedy of the commons" - it doesn't
confer much accountability on most people,
Right. The free-market solution to a tragedy of the commons is to give someone ownership
of the commons, i.e. in this case the righ
The problem with climate change is that it's a "tragedy of the commons" -
it doesn't confer much accountability on most people, who if they forewent
all the emissions made in their name would have no noticeable impact - only
those who are in a position to do anything about it could perhaps be
consi
> On 12-May-2015, at 6:28 pm, LizR wrote:
>
> Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do?
Regarding the heating of the seas? No, it's already decreed. This chapter is
making the point that this Quran is indeed a message, and reckoning is indeed
decreed, hence take warning and pre
Does God give any suggestions as to what we should do?
On 12 May 2015 at 23:28, Samiya Illias wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM, LizR wrote:
>
>> On 11 May 2015 at 17:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
>>
>>> European Space Agency (ESA) has this to report about Glacial Melt:
>>> http://www.e
ccurred and did change
> the climate. Moreover, what are you advocating for a fix for this dilemma?
> This is where X crosses Y.
>
>
>
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> Subject: Re: "Physicist
On 12 May 2015 at 22:04, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Well your eyes must be very old indeed, because methane releases go back
> at least 55 million years, when the great warming occurred and did change
> the climate.
Yes, I know. I've seen some of
On 12 May 2015 at 22:00, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Well, the researchers "pretended" that they knew, back then and are still
> advocating regulations rather then new tech, The validity of a science is
> it's ability to predict. I myself, advocate,
On 5/12/2015 3:00 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Well, the researchers "pretended" that they knew, back then and are still advocating
regulations rather then new tech,
That's a phony charge. NOBODY is advocating regulation instead of new technology. In fact
there are subsidies for
:04 am
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Well your eyes must be very old indeed, because methane releases go back at
least 55 million years, when the great warming occurred and did change the
climate. Moreover, what are you advocating for a fix for this dilemma? This i
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:18 PM, LizR wrote:
> On 11 May 2015 at 17:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
>
>> European Space Agency (ESA) has this to report about Glacial Melt:
>> http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/GOCE/GOCE_reveals_gravity_dip_from_ice_loss
>>
>> What does this mean for
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On 11 May 2015 at 15:04, spudboy100 via Everything List
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Hmmm. He does present a graph, but looking at the weather over 20 plus years,
climate catastrop
ns of the serfs require
a vigorous woodplane, to the face.
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Yes, I can't see any point in continuing to deny the science, attack
On 11 May 2015 at 17:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
> European Space Agency (ESA) has this to report about Glacial Melt:
> http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/GOCE/GOCE_reveals_gravity_dip_from_ice_loss
>
> What does this mean for Global Warming?
>
Well, it means it's happening, it's
On 11 May 2015 at 15:04, spudboy100 via Everything List <
everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Hmmm. He does present a graph, but looking at the weather over 20 plus
> years, climate catastrophe as they now call it, is not happening. The cause
> and effect preached by the progressive intelli
s something once said by
> philosopher, Groucho Marx, who said: "who are you going to believe, me, or
> your own two eyes?"
>
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>
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philosopher,
Groucho Marx, who said: "who are you going to believe, me, or your own two
eyes?"
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But
motives of our
> would-be saviors, who seem disinterested with saving, but real interested
> in controling-people, not climate.
>
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>
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&g
seem disinterested with saving, but real
interested in controling-people, not climate.
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On 5/10/20
On 5/10/2015 5:04 PM, LizR wrote:
Yes, I can't see any point in continuing to deny the science, attack the people, etc.
Maybe it was reasonable in the 80s or 90s but the evidence is overwhelming now. No one
(or very few people) do it with the LHC, so why the IPCC? - unless, of course, there are
Yes, I can't see any point in continuing to deny the science, attack the
people, etc. Maybe it was reasonable in the 80s or 90s but the evidence is
overwhelming now. No one (or very few people) do it with the LHC, so why
the IPCC? - unless, of course, there are some vested interests involved,
which
On 5/10/2015 5:41 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
the second, is when they exaggerate the Impact of global warming. No Hockey Stick, no,
Auckland turned to the Sahara dessert. At least not yet!
No has one ever said "by 2015", or Auckland becoming a desert. The exaggeration is all in
> bakes bread, nor build bridges, nor provides clean energy. Great debunker,
> bad on reducing the sad stuff. Larry Krauss, the same.
>
>
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I'm not so keen to read (or watch) stuff online that takes more than a few
minutes, but I will almost certainly read that in full when my handy
g
( There is a little discussion about Vic's paper in https://www.facebook.
com/sabine.hossenfelder)
scerir
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On 5/9/2015 7:15 PM, LizR wrote:
I'm not so keen to read (or watch) stuff online that takes more than a few minutes, but
I will almost certainly read that in full when my handy go-anywhere, random access
information storage system (also known as the paper copy of "Scientific American")
arrives
I'm not so keen to read (or watch) stuff online that takes more than a few
minutes, but I will almost certainly read that in full when my handy
go-anywhere, random access information storage system (also known as the
paper copy of "Scientific American") arrives in the post. In the meantime
the bits
: "Physicists Are Philosophers, Too"
On 5/9/2015 2:39 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> Yeah, I remember
Vic Stenger, though I didn't know he thought all physicists were
> somehow,
platonists. Not to be insulting to your late friend's memory, but for me (not
&
On 5/9/2015 2:39 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Yeah, I remember Vic Stenger, though I didn't know he thought all physicists were
somehow, platonists. Not to be insulting to your late friend's memory, but for me (not
for anyone else) the good professor, was a buzzkill. His seeming adh
al
Lawyer ; Stan Kohls
Sent: Sat, May 9, 2015 03:55 PM
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From my late friend Vic Stenger. Notice that from Vic's point of view all
physicists are plationist (with a small "p"). There's no mention of Aristotle.
r Stenger argues for the validity of
philosophy in the context of modern theoretical physics./
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/physicists-are-philosophers-too/
Brent
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