Mark Buda writes:
> Still busy, but things are looking up for finding the time. I'll have
> to revisit what I wrote before, though, because some of it was
> garbage. Nailed the red state blue state thing, though, even though I
> didn't explain adequately.
While I did nail it, I
Still busy, but things are looking up for finding the time. I'll have to
revisit what I wrote before, though, because some of it was garbage. Nailed
the red state blue state thing, though, even though I didn't explain
adequately.
I always had a problem with showing my work.
On Monday, July
On 11 Jan 2013, at 18:14, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Reminds me of an old short by Larry Niven, called All the Myriad
Ways, where a police detective tries to uncover why radom murder-
suicides are happening, (That world is where scientists discover how
to travel to different Earths) and had
Reminds me of an old short by Larry Niven, called All the Myriad Ways,
where a police detective tries to uncover why radom murder-suicides are
happening, (That world is where scientists discover how to travel to different
Earths) and had discovered one, where the Cuban War was just a wet
On 10 Jan 2013, at 21:43, John Clark wrote:
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed
and on a global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds
interpretation in his doctoral dissertation he was disappointed at
the poor reception it received and never
Everett's daughter was right in the sense of a lithothese
(double negation = positive answer) translated into
* I don't want to be WITHOUT my father *
The rest is interpretation.
JM
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 12:14 PM, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
**
Reminds me of an old short by Larry Niven,
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a
global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation
in his doctoral dissertation he was disappointed at the poor reception it
received and never published anything on quantum mechanics again
Perhaps we must worship Everett. Maybe he is with Einstein in a
superdimensional throne of quarks. Aleluya.
2013/1/10 John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a
global scale. After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds
On 1/10/2013 12:43 PM, John Clark wrote:
Perhaps the Quantum Suicide experiment has already been performed and on a global scale.
After Hugh Everett developed the many Worlds interpretation in his doctoral dissertation
he was disappointed at the poor reception it received and never published
Please, seek medical help. If you're right, you lose nothing and might
convince at least the psychiatrist you talk to. If I'm right, you get
cured. It can't do you any harm, but leaving what looks to me like a
serious illness untreated may well do you some serious harm.
Look, I've
I agree with pretty much everything you are saying, Jesse; unfortunately, I
don't have the time at the moment to respond adequately.
I think it would greatly improve the signal-to-noise ratio on this list if
everybody else kept quiet on this thread until you read my response to Jesse.
Please
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 16:10:23 -0700
Subject: RE: Civilization-level quantum suicide
From: her...@acm.org
To: everything-list@googlegroups.com
Mark, if you're not kidding here I honestly think you may be experiencing
some kind of mental disorder, perhaps a manic state (good
Well, it's impossible to know what's going on with you based on a few
email messages but it definitely sounds like it could be a manic state to
me--this sort of grandiosity and boundless confidence in one's own
abilities and powers is common in mania.
Of course it is. But note that I'm not
Well...
Did Gene Ray died the other night as you predicted ?
No, then go consult.
Simple as that.
Regards,
Quentin
2010/7/18 Mark Buda her...@acm.org
Well, it's impossible to know what's going on with you based on a few
email messages but it definitely sounds like it could be a manic
Did Gene Ray died the other night as you predicted ?
No, then go consult.
Simple as that.
I don't know whether he died or not. Google doesn't seem to know either.
Since none of you seem interested in helping me (and I don't blame you,
but it was worth a shot) I'm going to send him an email
Jesse, Mark,
On 18 Jul 2010, at 17:20, Jesse Mazer wrote:
Well, it's impossible to know what's going on with you based on a
few email messages but it definitely sounds like it could be a manic
state to me--this sort of grandiosity and boundless confidence in
one's own abilities and
Mark, we may be wrong, but none of what you said makes very much sense
for us. Some things you said may make sense, but seems to me humanly
communicable only through math, fiction, art, poetry, ... and stands
always very far away from any literal certainty.
I know it doesn't make sense. I
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote:
Get it? Good grief, even if the
stuff I'm saying taken as a whole doesn't make sense, at least focus on
one piece at a time and you will agree that I'm making perfect sense.
Mark, seriously, you're not. I worked on a psychiatric
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:01 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote:
Get it? Good grief, even if the
stuff I'm saying taken as a whole doesn't make sense, at least focus on
one piece at a time and you will agree that I'm making perfect sense.
Mark, seriously, you're not. I worked on a
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote:
You worked on a psychiatric ward but you never understood them. If you had
taken the time to interact with them, one on one, and share their lives
and hopes and dreams, you would have been able to help them figure it out.
That
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Mark Buda her...@acm.org wrote:
You worked on a psychiatric ward but you never understood them. If
you had taken the time to interact with them, one on one, and share
their lives and hopes and dreams, you would have been able to help
them figure it out.
On 16 Jul 2010, at 14:13, Mark Buda wrote:
But the upshot of it is this: I have found out what happens when you
commit quantum suicide. You discover that you believe a contradiction,
and that even though nothing about the world has changed, you
understand the universe.
That seems very
Why do you want to convince Richard Dawkins? You give him credit.
Because I know that I know how to persuade him of the truth based on
evidence *and* emotion. I can prove to him, personally, that I am God, and
that I created the universe. And he will believe it. Because I can show
him a
Mark, if you're not kidding here I honestly think you may be experiencing
some kind of mental disorder, perhaps a manic state (good description of
these kinds of states by Oliver Sacks at
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2008/sep/25/a-summer-of-madness/?pagination=false
) or even the
I'm not kidding. I understand your concern
It's also statistically more likely if you're a male between 18-25... that's
when these sorts of brain farts are most common. It doesn't mean you're
crazy, but the most important step to understanding what you're thinking is
to understand that you're
I'm not kidding. I understand your concern
It's also statistically more likely if you're a male between 18-25...
Statistics govern groups. I am an individual. I am 42. As was my father
when I was born. What an interesting coincidence. Not.
You did post a testable prediction though -- that
I came across this link some time ago and found it interesting:
http://www.paul-almond.com/CivilizationLevelQuantumSuicide.htm
In fact, I believe it is what introduced me to the term quantum
suicide. I had been googling something I had been thinking about in
the shower one day and to my surprise
me to the term quantum
suicide. I had been googling something I had been thinking about in
the shower one day and to my surprise this guy had written a paper
about it. What an amazing coincidence. My life since then has been an
increasingly bizarre series of meaningful coincidences. Meaningful
On 16 Jul 2010, at 14:13, Mark Buda wrote:
I came across this link some time ago and found it interesting:
http://www.paul-almond.com/CivilizationLevelQuantumSuicide.htm
In fact, I believe it is what introduced me to the term quantum
suicide. I had been googling something I had been thinking
: Re: Civilization-level quantum suicide
On 16 Jul 2010, at 14:13, Mark Buda wrote:
I came across this link some time ago and found it interesting:
http://www.paul-almond.com/CivilizationLevelQuantumSuicide.htm
In fact, I believe it is what introduced me to the term quantum
suicide. I had been
have all the
answers and none of the questions, because I no longer have free will. Or
I'm the only one left with free will, take your pick. Or ignore me. But
the problem is not going away. Something odd is going on.
Would you like to know what I think a civilization-level quantum suicide
event might
The Wiki article Quantum suicide and immortality (http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality) states:
Also, the philosopher David Lewis, in How Many Lives Has
Schrödinger's Cat?, remarked that in the vast majority of the worlds
in which an immortal observer might find himself
2009/5/10 ZeroSum ing...@usa.net:
David Lewis' statement cuts to the core of the nature of
consciousness. If each conscious observer on planet Earth (and let's
assume the laws of physics don't limit consciousness to humans but
includes any sentient animal life form) exists in Many Worlds
ZeroSum wrote:
The Wiki article Quantum suicide and immortality (http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide_and_immortality) states:
Also, the philosopher David Lewis, in How Many Lives Has
Schrödinger's Cat?, remarked that in the vast majority of the worlds
in which an immortal
This is extremely gratifying. Readers of Greg Egan's novel Quarantine
would also like this.
http://msm.grumpybumpers.com/?p=20
--
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201-1768
Mind Performance Hacks book: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/mindperfhks/
On 27 Jun 2008, at 20:52, Tom Caylor wrote:
On Jun 8, 2:43 pm, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 06 Jun 2008, at 23:35, Tom Caylor wrote:
...
One consistent configuration is that we are all immortal and that
part
of this immortal being is something that is outside of what we
Hi jal278,
Le 23-juin-08, à 19:08, jal278 a écrit :
First time post.
You are welcome.
Would it be possible to use the principles of QS as
an oracle? E.g. buy a lotto ticket before taking a flight, with the
intention
that if you win some improbable amount in the lotto you do not take
Bruno Marchal wrote:
Hi jal278,
...
Similarly, assuming that QI is true, the survival probabilities at the
end cases (where you
are 150 yrs old) would get to be incredibly small, such that perhaps
healthy decisions
made when you are younger (i.e. never smoke, keep fit)
On Jun 8, 2:43 pm, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 06 Jun 2008, at 23:35, Tom Caylor wrote:
...
One consistent configuration is that we are all immortal and that part
of this immortal being is something that is outside of what we can
observe scientifically, including other
Welcome.
I see that you use the word intention several times. It seems that
this is the word/notion on which your tries pivot, and I think this is
also the downfall. I think that intention is a very good part of
reality, but it can find its meaning only when coupled with the
humility that we
Tom,
which requires repeatability. Love (the mysterious force of good
relationship between persons) does not work within a scientific
you should have a look at the rich literature on love, which is the
subject of (ever growing) scientific study.
Here a small beginning:
First time post. Would it be possible to use the principles of QS as
an oracle? E.g. buy a lotto ticket before taking a flight, with the
intention
that if you win some improbable amount in the lotto you do not take
the flight.
Perhaps this flight was extremely likely to crash and your odds of
On 06 Jun 2008, at 23:35, Tom Caylor wrote:
I guess I could see that it could be consistent that from each of our
perspectives eventually we are the only one left in the mulitverse, if
we were all cut-off from each other, essentially in separate universes
or histories. But with all of
2008/6/7 Brent Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
You don't. You just outlive everyone else in the (very, very tiny, and
shrinking) hyperplane of Hilbert space where quantum randomness has
contrived to save you from death (but not from disability :-( ). On
other very tiny, shrinking hyperplanes
immortal, but today I am mortal. The difficulty
is more in the fusion/amnesia than in the fission ...
Bruno
PS Brent is right. Some annuity contract can be used for making money
via comp or quantum suicide, as far as the company handling that
annuity is robust enough. (Always making
in the fusion/amnesia than in the fission ...
Bruno
PS Brent is right. Some annuity contract can be used for making money
via comp or quantum suicide, as far as the company handling that
annuity is robust enough. (Always making all the default assumptions:
obviously (?) science per se
make sense, apparently, of a sentence like that:
yesterday I have been immortal, but today I am mortal. The difficulty
is more in the fusion/amnesia than in the fission ...
Bruno
PS Brent is right. Some annuity contract can be used for making money
via comp or quantum suicide, as far
...
Bruno
PS Brent is right. Some annuity contract can be used for making money
via comp or quantum suicide, as far as the company handling that
annuity is robust enough. (Always making all the default assumptions:
obviously (?) science per se is totally agnostic about
Forgive me if the following comment is ill-thought through as this is
my first post to the group.
It appears to me that, assuming QS is true, I should bet some
reasonably substantial amount of cash at the local bookies that I will
live to 110 or 120 years of age. Of course I will be around to
Hi Lawrence, welcome,
You have to be more precise on the betting procedure. You will win the
bet against people who, from your personal point of view, will most
probably be dead at the time. How do you intent to recover the money?
Bruno
On 05 Jun 2008, at 15:28, Lawrence wrote:
Forgive
Why is it that from my first person perspective other people die?
Perhaps a different question:
Why is it that from your first person perspective other people die?
Tom
On Jun 5, 8:27 am, Bruno Marchal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Lawrence, welcome,
You have to be more precise on the betting
Le 28-oct.-05, à 17:54, GottferDamnt a écrit (for-list):
Hi,
I would like talk about this quote from an old topic:
This is a rather shocking conclusion. We are conscious here and
now because our (computational state) belongs to aleph_1 (or
2^aleph_0 for those who doesn't want to rely on
, 1 Nov 2005 13:27:27 +0100
Subject: Re: Quantum Immortality (was Re: Quantum Suicide)
Le 28-oct.-05, à 17:54, GottferDamnt a écrit (for-list):
Hi,
I would like talk about this quote from an old topic:
This is a rather shocking conclusion. We are conscious here and
now because our
I should have said a countable set of countable histories.
Tom
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: everything-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 15:05:39 -0500
Subject: Re: Quantum Immortality (was Re: Quantum Suicide)
Bruno,
So why
Le 09-juil.-05, à 16:09, David Deutsch a écrit :
On 8 Jul 2005, at 11:25am, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now - what should be done about the presentation of
this concep of Quantum Suicide Bombing?
By the way: The discussion is *not* about the validity
of many worlds
Le 13-juil.-05, à 01:01, Charles Goodwin a écrit :
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Fabric-of-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lee Corbin
I don't know what you even *mean* by QS does not reduce the number
of worlds you experience, unless you mean that nothing that I can
do affects the number
. For example, flying on business.)
It's a reason some people take on very risky jobs. They figure if they
succeed, they'll be rich. If they fail, they'll be dead and won't care.
(Certainly not many people think this way, but some do.
But betting on yourself is not quantum suicide in any way I can
This
is a reply to Eric Hawthorne and Tim May.
Eric Hawthorne wrote:
George Levy wrote:
Conclusions:
All this involves really basic probability theory.
The first person perspective probability is identical to the probability
conditional to the person staying alive.
But that
Hi Brent.
Brent Meeker wrote:
I don't understand the point of this modification. The idea of QS was
to arrange that in all possible worlds in which I exist, I'm rich.
If it's just a matter of being rich in a few and not rich in the
rest, I don't need any QS.
Yes but you only
Tim May wrote
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote:
In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in
this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills
him if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the
branching many
of
a clock in which the clock travels one mile per hour. To get significant
results you must travel a significant fraction of the speed of light.
QS decisions are significantly different from "classical" decisions when
the life of the experimenter is at stake, (or as I pointed out earlier the
From: Tim May [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu Jan 9, 2003 1:22:32 PM US/Pacific
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Quantum suicide without suicide
On Thursday, January 9, 2003, at 12:32 PM, George Levy wrote:
As you can see, suicide is not necessary. One could be on death row -
in other words
In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in this
list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him if the
world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching
many-worlds, his consciousness is erased in those worlds, and remains
intact
On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 10:58 AM, George Levy wrote:
In the original verision of Quantum Suicide (QS), as understood in
this list, the experimenter sets up a suicide machine that kills him
if the world does not conform to his wishes. Hence, in the branching
many-worlds, his
Hall Finney: ''You might want to clarify what you mean by quantum suicide
working. What do you hope to accomplish via QS? What effect will it
have on your subjective perceptions?''
By ''quantum suicide working'' I mean that you could make the probability of
winning the lottery as close to 100
At 16:01 -0700 20/06/2002, Hal Finney wrote:
It's not clear that it means anything to say that the person could have
died. Here is why I say that.
I think we agree that the person in the mechanical brain who leaves
the operation will not be able to tell whether it was a success or not.
He will
escaping death becomes
extremely less likely), then forgetting style discontinuous
transitions might dominate.
I can believe that this argument will prevent us from entering Harry
Potter type universes through Quantum Suicide, but one will probably
still be able to make a buck out of a suitably
]
To: James Higgo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: (Quantum) suicide not necessary?
There is no 'you'. 'You' don't 'travel'. There
are just different observer moments, some including
'I am Micky and I'm, sick
Meeker [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: James Higgo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Rosefield
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Saibal Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2001 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: (Quantum) suicide not necessary?
On 03-Mar-01, James Higgo wrote:
Your comment, 'an explanation
I think I understand your concern. As to how to form a
complete theory, I find that kind of thinking outside
my form of expression. Finding an all encompassing
theory for consciousness I believe will be impossible.
I think all we can do is frame the understanding in
terms of what we are trying
--- rwas rwas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
versions of many-worlds theories, one might
consider a different approach.
By deleting certain sectors of one's memory
one
should be able to travel
to different branches of the multiverse.
Suppose
you are diagnosed with
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: James Higgo [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Michael Rosefield
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; Saibal Mitra [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: (Quantum) suicide not necessary?
I checked out your website, but it still seems to me there is a big gap
I checked out your website, but it still seems to me there is a big gap
between saying all universes with physics that are consistent with the
WAP are experienced and saying that all thoughts (observer moments)
exists. In the later case there is no explanation for the seeming
existence of
Bruno wrote:
Saibal Mitra wrote:
Instead of the previously discussed suicide experiments to test various
versions of many-worlds theories, one might consider a different
approach.
By deleting certain sectors of one's memory one should be able to travel
to different branches of the
From: James Higgo
Before I was blind but
now I see.
I was the one who came
up with the expression, 'Quantum Theory of Immortality', and I now see that it's
false - and all this stuff in this thread is based on the same mistake. See
www.higgo.com/qti , a site dedicated to
the
:34
PM
Subject: Re: (Quantum) suicide not
necessary?
From: James Higgo
Before I was blind
but now I see.
I was the one who
came up with the expression, 'Quantum Theory of Immortality', and I now see
that it's false - and all this stuff in this thread
-
From:
Michael Rosefield
To: James Higgo ; Saibal Mitra ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 3:34
PM
Subject: Re: (Quantum) suicide not
necessary?
From: James Higgo
Before I was blind
but now I see.
I was the one who
came up
why Jacques gets so
irritated by this type of thinking, but it's nice to see him back on the list
now then.
- Original Message -
From:
Michael Rosefield
To: Saibal Mitra ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 3:30
PM
Subject: Re: (Quantum) suicide
*Phew!*; this afternoon I finally got round to
reading the 190-odd messages I have received from this
list
From: Saibal Mitra
Instead of the previously discussed suicide
experiments to test variousversions of many-worlds theories, one might
consider a different approach.
Saibal Mitra wrote:
Instead of the previously discussed suicide experiments to test various
versions of many-worlds theories, one might consider a different approach.
By deleting certain sectors of one's memory one should be able to travel
to different branches of the multiverse. Suppose you
Instead of the previously discussed suicide
experiments to test variousversions of many-worlds theories, one might
consider a different approach.
By deleting certain sectors of one's memory one
should be able to travelto different branches of the multiverse. Suppose you
are diagnosed with
Bob Hearn wrote (from [EMAIL PROTECTED] question):
I asked Tegmark what he thought about the idea that one could view
life as a quantum suicide experiment, in the sense that if it is at
all possible that I will be alive in, say, 100 years, then I will
experience this - by definition, I won't
Hello. Max, you haven't responded to the arguments I've made
against it. (e.g. http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/msg00287.html,
http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/msg00306.html,
http://www.escribe.com/science/theory/msg00313.html,
that
one'. You are all of them, and as many sets you could call 'you' get 'shut
down' because of a vacuum collapse or supernova or quantum suicide
experiemnt, they become no longer you, and irrelevant to you. This is not an
everyday concept, and I am not surprised you have difficulty
On Wed, Dec 09, 1998 at 08:12:38PM -0500, Jacques M. Mallah wrote:
On the contrary, it's the same. That is easy to prove: suppose
the MWI was false but assume the universe is spacially infinite, so there
are other people like you in distant galaxies. Clearly they have no
bearing on
On Thu, Dec 10, 1998 at 03:20:58PM +0100, Gilles HENRI wrote:
maybe the decision theory itself (I must confess that my only knowledge of
it comes from what Wei writes here) is somewhat metaphysical because it
assumes that an individual can actually change the evolution of the world
(acts upon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: quantum suicide = deadly dumb
Higgo James wrote:
Jaques, try reading what Max wrote, then post a better reply.
Higgo, try reading what I wrote, then post a better reply.
Jacques Mallah wrote:
Max Tegmark wrote:
However, I think there's
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