Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread LizR
For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities go to infinity (or more realistically to the Planck scale) in black hole formation. In other words they probably go as high as the universe will allow - but since they're (normally?) inside an event horizon, we won't be able to

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Right, but that would make Hawking's claim even more ridiculous! An exception to it would not be ever seen Has he lost it? I do think so... Its a sad day. :_( On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical quantities

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Could it be that he is playing a joke on us? ...is unlikely to be funded... Really!? What could be used to pay for such? Not enough mass in the Solar system by my count. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 2:45 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread meekerdb
If the Higgs field decays the effect would be to make the quarks massless and protons and neutrons would disintegrate. But inside a black hole it would have no effect on the rest of the universe. Brent On 9/8/2014 11:45 PM, LizR wrote: For the second question, as Brent pointed out physical

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi Brent, Yes, but then we have to deal with the very real possibility that we exist within a Black hole! How do we align the Baryon decay with we live in a black hole? The latter is much most plausible, IMHO. On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 10:51 AM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: If the

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think you can get energies like 10^11Gev even in supernova. I don't know about a supernova but we know for a fact that you can get energies like that somewhere. The record energy for a cosmic ray particle (probably a

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread Stephen Paul King
Or maybe Hawking is messing with us. He is well known for his pranks On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 12:06 PM, John Clark johnkcl...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 1:52 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: I don't think you can get energies like 10^11Gev even in supernova. I

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-09 Thread LizR
That was obviously intended as a joke, but it doesn't mean the article itself is. On 9 September 2014 23:06, Stephen Paul King stephe...@provensecure.com wrote: Could it be that he is playing a joke on us? ...is unlikely to be funded... Really!? What could be used to pay for such? Not enough

RE: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
From: everything-list@googlegroups.com [mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of LizR Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:08 PM To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe If I'm allowed to answer

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread meekerdb
On 9/7/2014 9:07 PM, LizR wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
particles from space) coming from dis... View on en.wikipedia.org Preview by Yahoo From: Terren Suydam terren.suy...@gmail.com To: everything-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2014 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
Yes I also wondered if this occurred in black holes, but of course we can't find out well not safely, or communicably! If these energies don't occur in SN etc then I certainly don't see us producing them in the near future. I only guessed SN because Hawking said we'd need an accelerator

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread LizR
Actually it looks like Chris has come up with a natural source exceeding the limit, which was, of course, all I was suggesting. If *anything* does this, then the idea becomes highly unlikely, because it should have already happened. (Nice to be right, even if the details were wrong :-) -- You

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-08 Thread Stephen Paul King
Hi, Has any one figured out how Hawking for that number and will you explain it to us? Do energies of that scale even occur in the formation of black holes? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 11:17:19 PM UTC-4, cdemorsella wrote: What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent

RE: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-07 Thread 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
What do the physicists on this list think about Hawkins recent claim that the Higgs Boson can become metastable at energies above 10^11 GeV and potentially cause the end of the universe by creating an unstoppable vacuum expanding out at the speed of light? Is there something - theoretically

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-07 Thread LizR
If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which could eventually drop into a lower energy state and destroy the current

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-07 Thread Terren Suydam
My first thought was that this has already happened in an uncountable number of universes but we didn't survive those. Terren On Sep 8, 2014 12:07 AM, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be

Re: Higgs Boson particle, a.k.a. the God particle, could end the universe

2014-09-07 Thread Kim Jones
On 8 Sep 2014, at 2:07 pm, LizR lizj...@gmail.com wrote: If I'm allowed to answer (not being a physicist) ... I had the impression that this was already considered to be a possibility - that the current state of the universe might be a false vaccuum (or something like that) which