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From: Bruno Marchal
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Time: 2013-01-22, 12:00:41
Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On 22 Jan 2013, at 12:36, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
You said:
"God, matter, consciousness are never computabl
conscious of ? The code it is running, which would be
like a stream of consciousness, ie an experience ?
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From: Bruno Marchal
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Time: 2013-01-22, 12:00:41
Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On 22 Jan 2013, at
On 22 Jan 2013, at 12:36, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Bruno Marchal
You said:
"God, matter, consciousness are never computable"
Is that because the above are nonphysical ?
Matter is physical, by definition, yet non computable. This follows
from the UD Argument.
If consciousness is not co
On 21 Jan 2013, at 23:14, John Mikes wrote:
Bruno:
"...I have identified, in the comp context, "God" with Arithmetical
Truth,"
does that mean: complying with human logic (any)?
Not really. Arithmetical truth is independent of the humans. "17 would
be prime even if the humans did not ex
On 21 Jan 2013, at 20:51, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/21/2013 6:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Jan 2013, at 20:44, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/20/2013 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I agree. It is always better to stick to the most common sense of
the words.
That's funny coming from a guy who us
table.
Suppose you do a computation. You get a number or a bunch of numbers.
How can you say what they mean ?
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From: Bruno Marchal
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Time: 2013-01-21, 09:36:34
Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On 2
Bruno:
*"...I have identified, in the comp context, "God" with Arithmetical Truth,"
*
*
*
does that mean: complying with human logic (any)? Just imagine a world
(universe) without logically THINKING beings (humans?) with no math to
formulate (numbers, to express): is there a "God" there?
JM
*
*
On 1/21/2013 6:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 20 Jan 2013, at 20:44, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/20/2013 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I agree. It is always better to stick to the most common sense of the words.
That's funny coming from a guy who used "God" to designate abstract
computations.
?
On 20 Jan 2013, at 20:44, meekerdb wrote:
On 1/20/2013 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I agree. It is always better to stick to the most common sense of
the words.
That's funny coming from a guy who used "God" to designate abstract
computations.
?
God, matter, consciousness are never co
Hi meekerdb
All computations are abstract.
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Time: 2013-01-20, 14:44:33
Subject: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On 1/20/2013 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I agree. It is always better to stick
On 1/20/2013 3:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
I agree. It is always better to stick to the most common sense of the words.
That's funny coming from a guy who used "God" to designate abstract
computations.
Brent
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Time: 2013-01-17, 17:17:11
Subject: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
Hi John,
My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a
On 17 Jan 2013, at 23:17, Russell Standish wrote:
Hi John,
My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic
view on things that he has omitted to make the necessary connection
with the normal meaning of 1p/3p as standing for subjective/objective.
I agree. It is always bett
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> Hi John,
>
> My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 6:21 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> we cannot do without 1p and 2p
>
Especially 2p, most posts on this topic contain a extraordinary large
amount of pee pee.
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Time: 2013-01-17, 17:17:11
Subject: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
Hi John,
My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic
view on things that he has omitted to make the necessary connection
with the normal meaning
Hi John,
My suspicion is that Roger is so keen to impose a Piercean triadic
view on things that he has omitted to make the necessary connection
with the normal meaning of 1p/3p as standing for subjective/objective.
Cheers
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 04:55:17PM -0500, John Mikes wrote:
> Russell,
> I
Russell,
I reflect after a long-long time to your post. I had a war on my hand about
objective and subjective, fighting for the latter, since we are 'us' and
cannot be 'them'. I never elevated to the mindset of Lady Welby 1904, who -
maybe? - got it what 2p was.
My vocabulary allows me to consider
On 12/29/2012 4:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
3p is when we agree that the coffee is too hot.
1p is when we find it tastes very bad.
2p is when your wife ask you to clean the coffee machine.
So THAT'S why philosophers don't talk about 2p.
Brent
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Time: 2012-12-29, 01:21:53
Subject: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On F
On 29 Dec 2012, at 07:21, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 08:29:52AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
Hi Russell Standish
2p should be a necessary part of comp, espcially if it uses
synthetic logic.
It doesn't seem to be needed for deductive logic, however.
The following equival
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Time: 2012-12-29, 01:21:53
Subject: Re: Re: Escaping from the world of 3p Flatland
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 08:29:52AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Russell Standish
>
> 2p should be a necessary part of comp, espcially if it uses synthetic logic.
> It doesn't seem to be
On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 08:29:52AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Russell Standish
>
> 2p should be a necessary part of comp, espcially if it uses synthetic logic.
> It doesn't seem to be needed for deductive logic, however.
>
> The following equivalences should hold between comp
> and Peirce's
On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 06:21:06AM -0500, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Russell Standish
>
> Good point.
>
> You are right, but we cannot do without 1p and 2p
> unless we want to live in Flatland (Thirdness, the publicly
> available world of 3p logic). Truths are stated in words,
> so it includes
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