Re: Re: Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-17 Thread Roger Clough
.net 9/17/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-16, 09:58:45 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Needed: A

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-16 Thread Bruno Marchal
rclo...@verizon.net 9/16/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 20:32:34 Subject: Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of

Re: Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-16 Thread Craig Weinberg
on." > - Receiving the following content - > From: Craig Weinberg > Receiver: everything-list > Time: 2012-09-15, 20:32:34 > Subject: Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain. > > > It's doubtful that there has ever been such a pristine marke

Re: Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-16 Thread Roger Clough
uot;If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Alberto G. Corona Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-15, 07:37:44 Subject: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain. Hi Roger, B

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/15/2012 8:32 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: It's doubtful that there has ever been such a pristine market. The basic exchange between free agents is in all real cases weighted by those interests which control and manipulate the market. Look at how Microsoft created their monopoly. It made crapp

Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-15 Thread Craig Weinberg
"If there's no God, we'd have to invent him > so that everything could function." > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Alberto G. Corona > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2012-09-15, 07:37:44 > *Subject:* Re: Needed: A calcu

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-15 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/15/2012 9:35 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Alberto G. Corona At the heart of a market economy (which has existed since the cave man), there is a fundamental freedom, you can buy or sell if the price is right, where price = value = what you are willing to pay or sell for. So the market is basi

Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
Subject: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain. Hi Roger, But neither Darwin nor Spencer discovered darwinism. a selection between alternatives is at the heart of every creative process (that creates order). It is a form of creative destruction. The market and the war are examples of suc

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-15 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Hi Roger, But neither Darwin nor Spencer discovered darwinism. a selection between alternatives is at the heart of every creative process (that creates order). It is a form of creative destruction. The market and the war are examples of such process. But it is also running now in this discussion.

Re: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-15 Thread Roger Clough
function." - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-14, 13:50:22 Subject: Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain. On Friday, September 14, 2012 12:33:45 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/14/201

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/14/2012 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, September 14, 2012 12:33:45 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: On 9/14/2012 8:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Fortunately or unfortunately, capitalism is Darwinism, pure and simple. So it can prepare for a

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-14 Thread Richard Ruquist
Most people prefer working to looking for work. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > On Friday, September 14, 2012 12:33:45 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: >> >> On 9/14/2012 8:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote: >> >> Hi Craig Weinberg >> >> Fortunately or unfortunately, capita

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-14 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, September 14, 2012 12:33:45 PM UTC-4, Stephen Paul King wrote: > > On 9/14/2012 8:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > > Hi Craig Weinberg > > Fortunately or unfortunately, capitalism is Darwinism, pure and simple. > So it can prepare for a better future, although it can be painful > at

Re: Needed: A calculus of pleasure and pain.

2012-09-14 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/14/2012 8:07 AM, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Fortunately or unfortunately, capitalism is Darwinism, pure and simple. So it can prepare for a better future, although it can be painful at present. My own take on this is that there needs to be a calculus of pleasure and pain. Jeremy B