Re: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-04 Thread John Clark
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 Roger Clough wrote: > God created the human race. > And when God asks Himself the question "Why have I always existed, why haven't I always not existed?" what answer in his omniscience does He come up with? > God is the uncreated infinite intelligence > There was once a pa

Re: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
nt him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: John Clark Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-04, 10:20:44 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wro

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-04 Thread John Clark
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Roger Clough wrote: From: Roger Clough > God can be thought of as cosmic intelligence And if humans are the only intelligence in the cosmos (and they might be) then the human race is God. > or life itself. If as you say God is life then we know 2 things:

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-09-03 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark God can be thought of as cosmic intelligence or life itself. As to what he can do, there are some limitations in the world he created, for that world is contingent and so contains some missing pieces, misfits, defects, all of that stuff. Crap happens. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizo

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-31 Thread John Clark
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 Roger Clough wrote: >> what vital ingredient does a neurotransmitter chemical in a brain have >> that a electron in a chip does not have? >> > > ROGER: Life. > Yes life, I was afraid you might say that. It may interest you to know that the Latin word for "Life" is "vita", i

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-31 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark JOHN: That implies that you CAN think of a way that a bunch of cells in your skull squirting out neurotransmitter chemicals can produce subjectivity. What is that way, what vital ingredient does a? neurotransmitter chemical in a brain have that a electron in a chip does not have

RE: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-30 Thread William R. Buckley
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Clough Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:13 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence Hi Richard Ruquist IMHO software alone cannot create life, because life is subjective. So

Re: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-30 Thread Roger Clough
could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard Ruquist Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-29, 16:27:17 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence What is DNA if not software? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Roge

Re: RE: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-30 Thread Roger Clough
so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: William R. Buckley Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-29, 13:22:31 Subject: RE: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence Roger: It is my contention, quite to the dislike of biologists

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-30 Thread Roger Clough
Hi John Clark No, presumably each software program is different. So the machine is still controlled in various ways by the programmer. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/30/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-29 Thread Richard Ruquist
What is DNA if not software? On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:07 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Richard Ruquist > > Pre-ordained is a religious position > And we aren't controlled by software. > > Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net > 8/29/2012 > Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-29 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:22:38 PM UTC-4, William R. Buckley wrote: > > > > > Cells are indeed controlled by software (as represented in wetware form – > i.e. DNA). > It isn't really clear exactly what controls what in a living cell. I can say that cars are controlled by traffic signals

RE: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-29 Thread William R. Buckley
[mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Clough Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 10:07 AM To: everything-list Subject: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence Hi Richard Ruquist Pre-ordained is a religious position And we aren't controlled by sof

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Richard Ruquist Pre-ordained is a religious position And we aren't controlled by software. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/29/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Richard R

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou \ Good point. The argument fails. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/29/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stathis Papaioannou Receiver: everything-list T

Re: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-29 Thread Roger Clough
apaioannou Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-08-28, 09:39:09 Subject: Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stathis Papaioannou > > Yes, hardware and software cannot feel anything bec

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-28 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:11 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Stathis Papaioannou > > Yes, hardware and software cannot feel anything because there > is no subject to actually feel anything. There is no "I" , as in > "I feel that", there is only sensors and reactive mechanisms. A computer could make

Re: Re: Re: Two reasons why computers IMHO cannot exhibit intelligence

2012-08-28 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Stathis Papaioannou Yes, hardware and software cannot feel anything because there is no subject to actually feel anything. There is no "I" , as in "I feel that", there is only sensors and reactive mechanisms. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 8/28/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God