Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Mar 2013, at 18:44, Stephen P. King wrote: On 3/24/2013 7:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? We can already listen to the ideally correct machines on this. They already grasp UDA and provides the

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-25 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I think that you don´t mean religión but natural theology in the sense of a free search for ultimate meaning by logic and reasoning about the reality (in which the desperation about our ignorance and thus about what to do in life indeed becomes a fact of this reality. This last may be a major

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 24 Mar 2013, at 20:34, meekerdb wrote: On 3/24/2013 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That kind of things will happen for any type of beliefs, with human and machines, Sure, it's called learning from your elders. My parents told me to look both ways before crossing the street and I

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-25 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 25 Mar 2013, at 11:37, Alberto G. Corona wrote: I think that you don´t mean religión but natural theology in the sense of a free search for ultimate meaning by logic and reasoning about the reality (in which the desperation about our ignorance and thus about what to do in life indeed

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 13:06, Alberto G. Corona wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? We can already listen to the ideally correct machines on this. They already grasp UDA and provides the solution in the shape of a theology, in

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 13:41, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru Quotes from Robert

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 13:47, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:06 Alberto G. Corona said the following: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? In the book, the author just describes/documents what other people say. The reason from

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 13:49, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? ... Religious

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 16:00, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 16:45, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 22 Mar 2013, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Mar 2013, at 01:12, Alberto G. Corona wrote: These inmanentist religions (eartly utopianism) it is clear that substitute God by Man (upper case). A divinized man . This has the most evident form of personality cult to the chosen ones that have the knowledge and/or are at the

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 23 Mar 2013, at 23:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41:52 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/24/2013 7:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? We can already listen to the ideally correct machines on this. They already grasp UDA and provides the solution in the shape of a theology, in the greek

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-24 Thread meekerdb
On 3/24/2013 4:47 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: That kind of things will happen for any type of beliefs, with human and machines, Sure, it's called learning from your elders. My parents told me to look both ways before crossing the street and I believed them because I trusted them. They told me

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-23 Thread Alberto G. Corona
One more idea about religión and robots: A religión can not be hardcoded. Religión implies belief and a belief is something that can be or can be not that way, but anyway the individual is committed to asume it, This is vital for cooperative entities that compite with others or, put another

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-23 Thread meekerdb
On 3/23/2013 3:33 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: One more idea about religión and robots: A religión can not be hardcoded. Religión implies belief and a belief is something that can be or can be not that way, but anyway the individual is committed to asume it, This is vital for cooperative

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-23 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:41:52 AM UTC-4, yanniru wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.rujavascript: wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agoc...@gmail.com javascript:

Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than human being and believes that the future will include real and virtual houses of worship

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics,

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than human being and believes that the future will

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.03.2013 13:06 Alberto G. Corona said the following: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? In the book, the author just describes/documents what other people say. The reason from others, as far as I have understood it correctly, is

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? I share this question! 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru mailto:use...@rudnyi.ru Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful thinking? ... Religious beliefs will be programmed just as they are in

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said the following: On 3/22/2013 7:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality ... Dear Evgennii, In your reading of Kurzweil, does he ever explain

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has some reasons behind or it is simply wishful

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
I a previous discussion in this list (robotic truth) I argue that a robot in a competitive environment has to develop (or be programmed for) all the elements of religión and beliefs to cooperate and survive. 2013/3/22 Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru On 22.03.2013 13:47 Stephen P. King said

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 22.03.2013 15:31 Alberto G. Corona said the following: I a previous discussion in this list (robotic truth) I argue that a robot in a competitive environment has to develop (or be programmed for) all the elements of religión and beliefs to cooperate and survive. The goal of the book of

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 14:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM,

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
Ok. I understand. Well this eartly salvation is not only typical of AI. Voegelin coined the term inmanentization of the eschaton as the common caracteristic of the modern political and scientific movements. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton which means the belief of a heaven

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than human being and believes that the future will

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread meekerdb
On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote: These beliefs in robotic religión has

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 2:42 PM, Alberto G. Corona wrote: Ok. I understand. Well this eartly salvation is not only typical of AI. Voegelin coined the term inmanentization of the eschaton as the common caracteristic of the modern political and scientific movements.

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 3:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 4:16 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Quotes from Robert Geraci, Apocalyptic AI: Visions of Heaven in Robotics, Artificial Intelligence, and Virtual Reality p. 133 Ray Kurzweil believes that intelligent machines will be more spiritual than human

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Stephen P. King
On 3/22/2013 4:42 PM, meekerdb wrote: On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G. Corona agocor...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Alberto G. Corona
These inmanentist religions (eartly utopianism) it is clear that substitute God by Man (upper case). A divinized man . This has the most evident form of personality cult to the chosen ones that have the knowledge and/or are at the control of the transformation process, that in the modernity is

Re: Religious Robots

2013-03-22 Thread Richard Ruquist
On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 4:42 PM, meekerdb meeke...@verizon.net wrote: On 3/22/2013 6:41 AM, Richard Ruquist wrote: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:49 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi use...@rudnyi.ru wrote: On 22.03.2013 13:41 Richard Ruquist said the following: On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Alberto G.