Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/6/2013 8:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 04 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don't take this too much literally. I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of wealth. It *looks* nice, but it generates poverty. Oops, to

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On 1/6/2013 4:27 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/5/2013 9:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Me

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 04 Jan 2013, at 21:49, meekerdb wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don't take this too much literally. I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of wealth. It *looks* nice, but it generates poverty. Oops, too late! I already gave my kids several h

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 9:57 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/5/2013 9:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb wrote: >> >>> On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bru

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/5/2013 9:46 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Ma

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ger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/4/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-04, 10:37:13 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 03 Jan 2013, at

Re: The evolution of good and evil

following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 14:55:31 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:06 AM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb wrote: > >> On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Don't take this too much literally. >> I have never believed in any notion like charity, o

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/4/2013 1:24 PM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb > wrote: On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don't take this too much literally. I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of wealth. It

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 9:49 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Don't take this too much literally. > I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of > wealth. It *looks* nice, but it generates poverty. > > > Oops, too late! I already gave my

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/4/2013 7:37 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Don't take this too much literally. I have never believed in any notion like charity, or distribution of wealth. It *looks* nice, but it generates poverty. Oops, too late! I already gave my kids several hundred thousand dollars in services and educat

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; - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 18:21:27 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy reasoning. True

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no Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-04, 10:37:13 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 03 Jan 2013, at 10:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good an

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 03 Jan 2013, at 10:17, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue th

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/4/2013 3:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Stephen P. King mailto:stephe...@charter.net>> wrote: On 1/3/2013 10:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Roger Clough mailto:rclo...@verizon.net>> wrote: Hi meekerdb

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r the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 19:57:51 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 1/3/2013 1:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:44:32 AM UTC-5, rcl

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to be. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/4/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content ----- From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 13:13:07 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil O

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On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 11:55 PM, Stephen P. King wrote: > On 1/3/2013 10:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Roger Clough wrote: > >> Hi meekerdb >> >> Although a brilliant logician, Russell was far left (no doubt a >> communist and so anti-christian). His dia

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[rclo...@verizon.net] 1/4/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 12:53:17 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 1/3/2013 2:44 A

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ng content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 19:57:51 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 1/3/2013 1:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:44:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Chemotherapy is generally thought to be evil to

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/3/2013 1:01 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:44:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Chemotherapy is generally thought to be evil to the cancer (it tries to kill it) and good to the patient (it tries ultimately to cure him through killing the cancer). While

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/3/2013 10:13 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Roger Clough > wrote: Hi meekerdb Although a brilliant logician, Russell was far left (no doubt a communist and so anti-christian). His diatribe against Christianity is a p

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Receiving the following content - *From:* meekerdb <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net> *Receiver:* everything-list <mailto:everything-list@googlegroups.com> *Time:* 2013-01-02, 18:21:27 *Subject:* Re: The evolution of good and evil On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 02 Jan 2013, at 21:46, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Go

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On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:44:32 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > > Chemotherapy is generally thought to be evil to the cancer > (it tries to kill it) and good to the patient (it tries ultimately to > cure him through killing the cancer). > > While chemotherapy works against the cancer,

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/3/2013 2:44 AM, Roger Clough wrote: While chemotherapy works against the cancer, on the other hand, Christian believers such as me believe that the holy spirit, if so requested, can fill you with life and so defeat a cancer by that means. Hmmm. I guess my friend Dan, who is a devout Catho

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/3/2013 12:57 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Isn't it supported by, "In the long term, the DNA of the species as more chances of thriving if the individuals are altruistic to a degree." Maybe, if you're willing to wait a couple million years for biological evolution to catch up with

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 12:16:36 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Chemotherapy Good or Evil? >> >>

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:27, meekerdb wrote: On 1/2/2013 4:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self- interest. I believe

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 02 Jan 2013, at 20:13, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing for most people having some disease. Worst than THC injection, plausibly fo

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er is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-03, 08:12:58 > *Subject:* Re: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil > > > > O

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...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Telmo Menezes Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-03, 10:13:43 Subject: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil On Thu, Jan 3, 20

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t; > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* meekerdb > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-02, 18:21:27 > *Subject:* Re: The evolution of good and evil > > On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > That really has nothing to do with Evil though,

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[rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 18:21:27 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrot

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ct: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:53:56 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Tsunamis and other forces of nature are themselves amoral*, but their effects can be good (enhance life) or evil (diminish life). Are you saying that God is powerless to cha

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, 08:12:58 Subject: Re: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:35:00 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: Hi Craig Weinberg Do you know anything about jurisprudence ? Only as much as you do. It doesn't care if your motivations were good or evil, it only cares if yo

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pecially near the end." - Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-02, 16:06:10 > *Subject:* Re: The evolution of good and evil > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58

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1/3/2013 > "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content ----- > *From:* Craig Weinberg > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-02, 12:13:04 > *Subject:* Re: Re: The evolution of good and ev

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especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 16:06:10 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Cra

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hurts the bad. [Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 14:13:35 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and e

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ger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net] 1/3/2013 "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." - Woody Allen - Receiving the following content - From: Craig Weinberg Receiver: everything-list Time: 2013-01-02, 12:13:04 Subject: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil On Wednesday,

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-02, 14:55:31 Subject: Re: The evolution of good and evil On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-i

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes > we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best > interest of society instead of our own self

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; - Woody Allen > > - Receiving the following content - > *From:* Telmo Menezes > *Receiver:* everything-list > *Time:* 2013-01-02, 07:08:41 > *Subject:* Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil > > In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes &g

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:27 PM, meekerdb wrote: > On 1/2/2013 4:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes >> we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best >> interest of society instead of our own self-interest

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 9:11:07 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 5:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sl

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/2/2013 5:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm.

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:21:27 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy > reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm. Getting > smallpox is not evil, it is just unf

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On 1/2/2013 2:24 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: That really has nothing to do with Evil though, except in sloppy reasoning. True Evil is about intentionally initiating social harm. Getting smallpox is not evil, it is just unfortunate. Giving someone blankets known to be infected with smallp On the

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 4:12:38 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent

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On 1/2/2013 1:06 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesd

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:58:45 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bru

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 7:08:41 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes > we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best > interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have >

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/2/2013 12:46 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 3:05:10 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> Chemotherapy Good or Evil? >> >> >> Better

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On 1/2/2013 11:55 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I am not so sure about that. Most humans would be more happier just knowing than more humans can be happier (if it is not their neighbors). I think that some problem comes from too much altruistic dreams, and few awkward real practice, but they keep gro

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/2/2013 11:13 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote: On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing for most people having some disease. Worst than THC injection, p

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On 02 Jan 2013, at 13:08, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self- interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biol

Re: The evolution of good and evil

On 1/2/2013 4:08 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biological evol

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 12:57:34 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > Chemotherapy Good or Evil? > > > Better than nothing for most people having some disease. > Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people. > > Here th

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On 02 Jan 2013, at 02:01, Craig Weinberg wrote: Chemotherapy Good or Evil? Better than nothing for most people having some disease. Worst than THC injection, plausibly for the same group of people. Here the Evil is only in the fact that minorities hides information from the majority, and t

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On Wednesday, January 2, 2013 6:39:17 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > > ROGER: There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance > life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call > Evil. > > CRAIG: I can't relate to cut and dried ideas of Good and Evil or

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ct: Re: Re: The evolution of good and evil In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biological evo

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In my opinion, good and evil are just names we attach to brain processes we all have in common. These brain processes make us pursue the best interest of society instead of our own self-interest. I believe they have two main sources: 1) Biological evolution. In the long term, the DNA of the specie

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ROGER: There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil. CRAIG: I can't relate to cut and dried ideas of Good and Evil or enhancing or diminishing of life. It seems completely disconnected from reali

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On Tuesday, January 1, 2013 4:05:15 PM UTC-5, rclough wrote: > > The evolution of good and evil > > There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance > life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call > Evil. > I can'

The evolution of good and evil

The evolution of good and evil There are two opposing forces in the universe, those which enhance life, which we call Good, and those which diminish life, which we call Evil. Thus it is not surprising that Mankind has two basic motivating feelings, love, which strives to enhance life