tence of certain features of
qualia.
As such, the nature and existence of qualia are controversial."
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/20/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
> 10/19/2012
> "Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Subject: Re: Re: The objective world of autopoesis
Hi Roger,
A quale as I understand it is simply a "unit" of subjective
experience. It's a bit of an abstraction since ex
s,
> I agree, but if we accept that consciousness arises from, or is the
> inside-view of, certain 3p structures, then theorizing about those 3p
> structures can yield testable claims about consciousness.
>
> ROGER: That is the main thrust of the discussion here.
> In my view, there is the su
3p
structures can yield testable claims about consciousness.
ROGER: That is the main thrust of the discussion here.
In my view, there is the subjective experience (which I am
trying to understand), and then there is the description of that
experience, I think we call 3p, which I think is what most
Hello people, right spelling is autopoiesis and to better understanding I
recommend reading "Autopoiesis and Cognition" and "The Tree of Knowledge" from
Maturana et Varela.
Roberto Szabó
Em 17/10/2012, às 09:25, "Roger Clough" escreveu:
> Hi Terren Suydam
es, then theorizing about those 3p
structures can yield testable claims about consciousness.
Terren
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Terren Suydam
>
> IMHO autopoesis, like all of AI, is a tool for the public, objective
> world (Thirdness)
> That
ance in the theory, I would say.
>
> Bruno
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for the link to Barry McMullin... interesting stuff.
>>
>> Terren
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Russell Standish
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Whilst I agree wit
ullin... interesting stuff.
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Russell Standish > wrote:
Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical thing to
measure. I
wouldn't know if my artificial life simulations were auto
Hi Terren Suydam
IMHO autopoesis, like all of AI, is a tool for the public, objective world
(Thirdness)
That is fine, but the real nitty-gritty (such as mind or consciousness)
dwells in subjective experiences (quale) (Firstness). So I don't find
autopoesis that usef
merge until well after its conception.
Thanks for the link to Barry McMullin... interesting stuff.
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
> Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
> what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical thing
Whilst I agree with Terren that autopoesis is an important part of
what it is to be alive, it is not a very practical thing to measure. I
wouldn't know if my artificial life simulations were autopoetic or
not, except where the concept has been explicitly designed in (eg see
Barry McMul
/2012
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Subject: Re: Re: autopoesis
Hi Roger,
I'm interested in the thought process that led you t
nding autonomy.
Best,
Terren
On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Roger Clough wrote:
> Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
>
> I agree.
>
> I was wrong about autopoesis. It is
> a mind-boggling definition of life,
> maybe not even that.
>
>
> Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.ne
Hi Platonist Guitar Cowboy
I agree.
I was wrong about autopoesis. It is
a mind-boggling definition of life,
maybe not even that.
Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net
10/15/2012
"Forever is a long time, especially near the end." -Woody Allen
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Hi Roger,
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Roger Clough wrote:
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> Autopoesis is a useful definition for life.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis
>
>
> Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning "self", and p???s??
> (poiesis), meaning "
Autopoesis is a useful definition for life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autopoiesis
Autopoiesis (from Greek a?to- (auto-), meaning "self", and p???s?? (poiesis),
meaning "creation, production") literally means "self-creation" and expresses a
fundamental dialec
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