Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/12/2018 8:00 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: * When the experiment ends, that is when the box is opened, the cat might still be alive. AG* Which in the idealization means it didn't evolve. *You can easily imagine the idealized life/death scenarios (by going to the

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/12/2018 8:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* An isolated system has energy eigenvalues.  But any realistic macroscopic system is only going to conserve energy approximately.  I think energy eigenvalues are found in atoms and maybe molecules.  But larger systems (C60

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/12/2018 10:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/12/2018 8:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> An isolated system has energy eigenvalues.  But any realistic macroscopic system is only going to conserve energy appr

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/13/2018 3:53 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/12/2018 10:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 6/12/2018 8:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* An isolated system has energy eigenvalues.  But any

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/13/2018 4:30 PM, Jason Resch wrote: Physical Theories, Eternal Inflation, and Quantum Universe , Yasunori Nomura We conclude that the eternally inflating multiverse and many worlds in quantum mechanics are the same. Other important implications

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/13/2018 9:18 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/13/2018 3:53 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 6/12/2018 10:26 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/12/2018 8:25 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Bre

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/15/2018 6:46 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I might be wrong here, but my point is that energy occurs in discrete eigenvalues and we never measure energy in between. With spin for instance it occurs in any direction and is determined by the orientation of a magnetic field I set. I do not

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 2:02 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: One hour ago I had coffee. You are now in universe U, where I had coffee. Hadn't I had coffee this morning, you would now be in universe U', where I didn't have coffee. I guess you could say that I created universe U, but

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 2:20 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *The single event outcome in this world is certain. We measure it. Those in the other worlds are speculative at best, and DO give human beings the power to create worlds. By choosing to do this or that quantum experiment, worlds are created!

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 10:16 AM, John Clark wrote: ​> ​ /Another universe comes into existence when Joe the Plumber performs, say, a spin measurement./ But a measurement (whatever in the world that means) does not need to be made and there is nothing special about Joe, if Everett is right

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 12:34 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 2:25:20 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 6/16/2018 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: One hour ago I had coffee. You are now in universe U, where I had coffee. Hadn't I had coffee this morni

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 1:46 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 7:25:20 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/16/2018 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: One hour ago I had coffee. You are now in universe U, where I had coffee. Hadn't I had coffee this

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 1:52 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 7:27:47 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/16/2018 2:20 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *The single event outcome in this world is certain. We measure it. Those in the other worlds are speculative at best

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 3:40 PM, John Clark wrote: On Sat, Jun 16, 2018 at 4:41 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>>wrote: / ​>​ That's where MWI gets fuzzy.  Do all the submicroscopic events that make to macroscopic difference create different worlds? /

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/16/2018 2:32 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 9:07:43 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/16/2018 1:46 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 7:25:20 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/16/2018 2:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/17/2018 12:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Lawrence Crowell* > On Friday, June 15, 2018 at 11:55:17 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 6/15/2018 6:46 AM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: I might be wrong here, but my point is that energy occurs in

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 12:12 AM, wrote: why do you prefer the MWI compared to the Transactional Interpretation? I see both as absurd. so I prefer

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 5:20 AM, Jason Resch wrote: How do you explain the finite computational resources of a table-top quantum computer factoring a prime number in seconds when it would take a classical computer the size of the solar system 10^100 years to do the same calculation? David Deutsch no

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 2:13 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: I think Jason answered that question very well. But who knows ​,​ the Transactional Interpretation could turn out to be right, it certainly makes far more sense than Copenhagen which isn’t even wrong. Copenhagen isn’t weir

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/17/2018 2:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018, > wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 12:29:35 PM UTC, Jason wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 6:26 AM, wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM UTC, Jason wr

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/17/2018 3:51 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/17/2018 12:05 AM, Bruce Kellett wrote: The fact that energy spectra of atoms and the like are discrete does not change the fact that energy eigenvalues are a continuous set of delta functions on the real line. And

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

How is that any different than simply saying they are computable to arbitrary accuracy, in the Church-Turing sense. Brent On 6/17/2018 3:32 PM, Lawrence Crowell wrote: The Schrödinger equation is integrable for completely unitary systems. This hold for Hamiltonians that are complex or nonlinea

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/17/2018 10:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: But the lens doesn't send one color to one photoreceptor and another color to a different photorecptor.  It focuses a spot of light on several photorecptors and the one with the right pigment fires its neuron.  So it is energy detection. But if yo

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 3:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Block time plus MWI means universes aren't created, they're all already there. *Seems like super-determinism to me. You're making a distinction with no difference. AG * Superdeterminism says you and a remote partner could

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 4:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: It will take a lot of work under his approach, but I am not aware of any other system proposed by anyone, which even has a chance at this. Penrose's gravity induced collapse has as good a chance as Bruno's, and a better chance of predicting some surp

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 17 June 2018 at 13:26,  mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sunday, J

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 4:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/17/2018 2:24 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018, mailto:agrayson2...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sunday, June 17

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On 6/18/2018 4:44 AM, Steven Ridgway wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 01:25 Dr Russell Standish wrote: > "But presumably the argument is about certain cognitive skills which helped our species be extraordinarily successful, and also gave us the capability to understand algebrai

Re: Schrodinger's Cat vs Decoherence Theory

On 6/18/2018 10:21 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* On 6/17/2018 10:41 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: But the lens doesn't send one color to one photoreceptor and another color to a different photorecptor.  It focuses a spot of light on several photorecptors and the one wit

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/18/2018 10:21 AM, John Clark wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:55 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: >JKC has mis-stated CI.  CI didn't say QM as embodied in the SWE was the theory of the world.  Bohr and Heisenberg both held that the  

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/18/2018 6:03 PM, smitra wrote: On 17-06-2018 22:42, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave function computable? If so then the result of MRDP implies it is Diophantine. Jason Or you could try to see if QM could be a meta-theory that arises when you tr

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On 6/18/2018 11:35 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: Il 18 giugno 2018 alle 14.08 Jason Resch ha scritto: I think a lot of our abstract reasoning ability results from our being social creatures, and having to create mental models of other people/groups/tribes, etc. to predict the

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On 6/18/2018 11:51 PM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: Il 18 giugno 2018 alle 2.24 Russell Standish ha scritto: There's considerable evolutionary advantage, just not enough time yet for evolution to have acted :). For some reason this reminds me of a quote: "It is because we have blindly

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/19/2018 6:42 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018 3:31 AM, Jason Resch wrote: Block time plus MWI means universes aren't created, they'r

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/19/2018 6:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018 4:09 AM, Jason Resch wrote: It will take a lot of work under his approach, but I am not aware of any other system pr

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/19/2018 7:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/19/2018 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jun 2018, at 22:41, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/16/2018 10:16 AM, John Clark wrote: ​> ​ /Another universe comes into existence when Joe the Plumber performs, say, a spin measureme

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/19/2018 8:08 AM, smitra wrote: On 19-06-2018 07:21, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/18/2018 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Jun 17, 2018 at 9:57 PM, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/17/2018 4:43 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 17 June 2018 at 13:26, wrote: On Sunday, June 17, 2018 at 10:15:05 AM

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/19/2018 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most of these objections to CI are answered by decoherence theory. I have no clue how to interpret decoherence with a collapse theory. You use decoherence theory until you get to the reduced density matrix that is diagonal FAPP (or for all consci

Re: Mathematics as the result of natural selection

On 6/19/2018 6:11 PM, Russell Standish wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 10:50:05PM -0700, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/18/2018 4:44 AM, Steven Ridgway wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 01:25 Dr Russell Standish wrote: > "But presumably the argument is about certain cognitiv

Re: Primary matter

On 6/20/2018 4:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbalize this dissatisfaction I feel stuck in a loop. Perhaps this illustrates your point. We might need to do some detour about wha

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

*And Yes, I did write two scientific papers with Carl Sagan.* ​Bullshit​. *Let's settle the question this way: we'll each send a check to Brent Meeker, payable for $5000. Brent will then decide who is telling the truth about my papers with Carl Sagan. Brent will then send $9000 t

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/20/2018 6:30 PM, smitra wrote: On 19-06-2018 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/18/2018 6:03 PM, smitra wrote: On 17-06-2018 22:42, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave function computable? If so then the result of MRDP implies it is Diophantine. Jason

Re: Primary matter

On 6/11/2018 8:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Telmo, On 11 Jun 2018, at 13:53, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, Sorry for the delay, had a friend visiting. No problem. From tomorrow (Tuesday) to Friday, I have many oral exams (+ a conference in Nivelles, a city nearby). So take your tim

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/20/2018 9:41 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:14 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2018 6:42 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/20/2018 9:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:17 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2018 6:55 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:16 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/20/2018 9:48 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2018 7:10 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/20/2018 9:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2018 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most of these objections to CI are answered by decoherence theory. I hav

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 1:49 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jun 2018, at 07:24, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018 4:33 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 12:01 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/17/2

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 1:56 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 19 Jun 2018, at 16:10, Jason Resch <mailto:jasonre...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 12:21 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/18/2018 4:27 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Sun, Ju

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 2:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2018, at 00:28, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2018 7:25 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 16 Jun 2018, at 22:41, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/16/2018 10:16 AM

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2018, at 00:47, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/19/2018 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most of these objections to CI are answered by decoherence theory. I have no clue how to interpret decoherence with a collapse theory. You use decoherence

Re: Primary matter

On 6/21/2018 3:55 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 21 June 2018 at 00:53, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/20/2018 4:51 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: Hi Bruno, I follow your reasoning, from one of your recent articles. This leaves me dissatisfied, but if I try to verbalize this dissatisfaction I feel

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/21/2018 6:33 AM, smitra wrote: On 21-06-2018 05:01, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/20/2018 6:30 PM, smitra wrote: On 19-06-2018 23:22, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/18/2018 6:03 PM, smitra wrote: On 17-06-2018 22:42, Jason Resch wrote: Hi Lawrence, Is the evolution of states of the wave

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 7:47 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/20/2018 9:48 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:24 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 7:48 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 1:02 AM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/20/2018 9:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Fwd: "Finally, A Problem That Only Quantum Computers Will Ever Be Able to Solve"

Forwarded Message https://www.quantamagazine.org/finally-a-problem-that-only-quantum-computers-will-ever-be-able-to-solve-20180621/ ref: https://eccc.weizmann.ac.il/report/2018/107/ ... /Here’s the problem. Imagine you have two random number generators, each producing a se

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 3:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:47 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/21/2018 6:42 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 7:26 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/21/2018 3:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Brent Meeker mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote:

Re: Primary matter

On 6/22/2018 4:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This does not mean that a conscious machine is necessarily more efficacious on all task, What is the added undecideable sentence implied by consciousness? “I am conscious”. What does that speed up?  Does the speed up from adding an undeciable sen

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 6/22/2018 3:13 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: *I've been struggling lately with how to interpret a superposition of states when it is ostensibly unintelligible, e.g., a cat alive and dead simultaneously, or a radioactive source decayed and undecayed simultaneously. If we go back to the

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 6/23/2018 12:02 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 6:25:38 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/22/2018 3:13 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *I've been struggling lately with how to interpret a superposition of states when it is ostensibly unintelligible,

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 6/23/2018 2:26 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 9:21:05 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 7:52:08 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/23/2018 12:02 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 6/23/2018 9:20 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, June 24, 2018 at 3:03:07 AM UTC, Brent wrote: On 6/23/2018 2:26 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 9:21:05 PM UTC, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Saturday, June 23, 2018 at 7:

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 6/23/2018 10:05 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> Of course in theory any pure state can be taken to be a basis vector and there is an operator for which that state is an eigenvector, i.e. a basis in which it is not a superposition. 

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/24/2018 8:17 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: I agree. To change QM, and getting the correct spin measurement in all directions, you would need to de-linearise slightly the SWE, but this makes the many worlds able to interact (Weinberg showed this, and Plaga in this list a long time ago). Probl

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/24/2018 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:12, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/21/2018 2:13 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2018, at 00:28, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2018 7:25 AM, B

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/24/2018 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:19, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/21/2018 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2018, at 00:47, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/19/2018 8:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Most of these objections to CI are answered by decoherence

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/24/2018 9:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 22 Jun 2018, at 02:26, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/21/2018 3:29 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 5:10 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:

Re: Primary matter

On 6/25/2018 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jun 2018, at 08:03, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/22/2018 4:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: This does not mean that a conscious machine is necessarily more efficacious on all task, What is the added und

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/25/2018 4:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jun 2018, at 21:26, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/24/2018 8:29 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:12, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/21/2018 2:13 AM, B

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/25/2018 4:14 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 24 Jun 2018, at 21:30, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/24/2018 8:36 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2018, at 22:19, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/21/2018 2:16 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 20 Jun 2018, at 00:47, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/19/2018

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/25/2018 4:28 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: But then you recognize that the physical world is a necessary component and must exist to make computationalism meaningful. But that is exactly what happen. The physical reality is phenomenologically explained by the inability of the universal mac

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/25/2018 4:57 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: What is the mechanism in the block universe model?  What is the mechanism for the UD to produce the physical world? The UD, or simply the sigma_1 arithmetical reality generates all dreams (where a dream is a computation supporting a Löbian machine)

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/25/2018 5:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Do our minds impose a preferred basis? No. But our material brain does, and it needs to do that to become a classical machine, or to behave classically in some branch of the wave. The classicality is imposed by the fact that the key notion (the u

Re: Is the "bubble multi-verse" and "qm many-worlds" the same thing?

On 6/25/2018 5:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 21 Jun 2018, at 08:02, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/20/2018 9:50 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Tue, Jun 19, 2018 at 5:47 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/19/2

Re: Primary matter

On 6/25/2018 7:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: If not, mechanism is refuted (or we are in a malevolent simulation, which is better to never assume, as this can again explains everything, like super determinism or epiphenomenalism (as you said at the relevant place to Brent). Does no one else s

Re: Primary matter

On 6/25/2018 8:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I don't think that's the case. C seems to me to be capable to explaining anything (e.g. we're living in the Matrix). The theories of M are certainly incomplete, but if there is empirical data inconsistent with those theories it just shows they have l

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

t tiny space? *Why should it take an infinite amount of logic to figure out what one tiny piece of space/time is going to do?*" "Because the world is made of physics, not logic."         - Brent Meeker 1. Wheeler: "*Why these equations, and not others?*" "

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/25/2018 5:54 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 1:54 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/24/2018 6:43 PM, Jason Resch wrote: On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 3:30 PM, John Clark mailto:johnkcl...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Th

Re: Primary matter

On 6/26/2018 2:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 25 June 2018 at 19:54, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/25/2018 8:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I don't think that's the case. C seems to me to be capable to explaining anything (e.g. we're living in the Matrix). The theories of

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/26/2018 7:14 AM, Jason Resch wrote: On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: Logic, laws, and principles are adopted after the fact to clean up problems perceived in intuitive inferences; and their solutions are n

Re: Primary matter

On 6/26/2018 11:03 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 25 Jun 2018, at 18:37, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/25/2018 3:32 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 23 Jun 2018, at 08:03, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/22/2018 4:41 AM, B

Re: Primary matter

On 6/27/2018 1:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 27 June 2018 at 03:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/26/2018 2:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 25 June 2018 at 19:54, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/25/2018 8:06 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: I don't think that's the case. C seems to me to be

Re: are black holes actually misunderstood wormholes?

On 6/27/2018 10:01 AM, John Clark wrote: />There are problems with these types of solutions. The biggest is they requires a source term that has negative energy/ The Casimir effect has demonstrated that the vacuum between 2 conductive planes that are very very close to each other con

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/27/2018 2:02 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Which is certainly shorter than providing a degree 4 universal Diophantine equation, like below (I can’t resist): (unknowns range on the non negative integers (= 0 included) 31 unknowns: A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P,

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/28/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Also, if another sort of a multiverse exists besides the quantum multiverse, then in any physics experiment you're going to measure the totality of all the effects of all multiverses in which you have exact copies. The effects of these other multive

Re: Do we live within a Diophantine equation?

On 6/29/2018 2:20 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 28 Jun 2018, at 20:00, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/28/2018 8:46 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Also, if another sort of a multiverse exists besides the quantum multiverse, then in any physics experiment you&#x

Re: Primary matter

On 6/29/2018 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Jun 2018, at 20:43, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/27/2018 1:42 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 27 June 2018 at 03:24, Brent Meeker wrote: On 6/26/2018 2:32 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: On 25 June 2018 at 19:

Re: Primary matter

On 7/1/2018 5:07 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 29 Jun 2018, at 20:18, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/29/2018 3:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: On 27 Jun 2018, at 20:43, Brent Meeker <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> wrote: On 6/27/2018 1:42 AM, T

Re: Radioactive Decay States

But its probability of not having decaded goes down exponentially with a long half-life. And it would be in a superposition of decayed and undecayed for a long time. We don't observe |decayed>+|undecayed> or |decayed>-|undecayed> because that would require an instrument for which that was an e

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: *No. I am asserting that the INTERPRETATION of the superposition of states is wrong. Although I have asked several times, no one here seems able to offer a plausible justification for interpreting that a system in a superposition of s

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:57:06 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything List wrote: *No. I am asserting that the INTERPRETATION of the superposition of states is wrong. Although I have aske

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 7/5/2018 3:55 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, July 4, 2018 at 10:57:06 AM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 7/4/2018 1:57 AM, 'scerir' via Everything

Re: Bootstrapping Reality: The inconsistency of nothing

On 7/6/2018 9:26 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: It is like they find themselves in the relevant partition of the mutilverse, but as there has not been any collapse, nothing has needed to propagate after than light. The non-locality, or better inseparability, just assures that whatever differentiati

Re: Radioactive Decay States

On 7/6/2018 11:44 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 5:14:34 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 7/5/2018 3:55 PM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, July 5, 2018 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-6, Brent wrote: On 7/5/2018 11:27 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote

Re: Bootstrapping Reality: The inconsistency of nothing

On 7/6/2018 6:51 AM, smitra wrote: On 06-07-2018 14:18, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: BRUNO MARCHAL On 5 Jul 2018, at 17:20, Lawrence Crowell wrote: John Bell proved that any objective theory giving experimental predictions identical to those of quantum theory is necessarily nonlocal. As

Re: Bootstrapping Reality: The inconsistency of nothing

On 7/6/2018 4:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: I am not sure I understand the idea of being in the same world when space-like separated. Who said anything like that? They end up in the same world when they meet. Or do you disagree with that as well? Certainly the two people who meet are in the

Re: Bootstrapping Reality: The inconsistency of nothing

On 7/6/2018 8:38 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 7/6/2018 4:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: I am not sure I understand the idea of being in the same world when space-like separated. Who said anything like that? They end up in the same worl

Re: Bootstrapping Reality: The inconsistency of nothing

On 7/6/2018 11:27 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 7/6/2018 8:38 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: From: *Brent Meeker* <mailto:meeke...@verizon.net>> On 7/6/2018 4:54 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote: I am not sure I understand the idea of be

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