[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-15 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 08:45:29PM +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: [...] Of course, Thomas also pays in other ways. The only reason that I saw his situation as freeloading was because he started by saying that he would have bought, had not the matter of advertisements arisen - in other words, he

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-15 Thread Charlie M.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 September 15, 2003 03:37 pm, T. Ribbrock wrote: whack I've also offered the alternative of offering ad-free products for a higher price than the ad-ware. If it's money Mandrake needs, this could be a nice alternative, IMO. Curiously, no-one ever

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-15 Thread Bill
Why is it when I go to my local Fry's I see rows of Red Hat boxes some BSD boxes and Slackware CD's but never see Mandrake boxes. I would gladly purchase Mandrake instead of downloading it if it was in the stores. Seems to me that Mandrake needs to get there product out on the shelves. I can

[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 07:49:30AM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Do you even use Mandrake? Yup, I have 9.1 on one of my machines. That's why I considered buying 9.2. MDK lost that sale. A product does not materialize out of thin air: it takes money for the people who produce it to live,

[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:54:37AM -0400, Miark wrote: This reminds me of single issue voters I've heard so much about. You probably like urpmi more than up2date, the Drak tools more than Red Hat's tools, the MDK support lists more than the Red Hat lists, and MDKs goal of making Linux easier

[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:59:12AM -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. With the name *J.P. MorganChase* is plastered all over the walls of the courts in Arthur Ash stadium with the *IBM* scoreboard high above the

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread ed tharp
On Sat, 2003-09-13 at 06:56, T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 07:49:30AM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Do you even use Mandrake? Yup, I have 9.1 on one of my machines. Welcome to the world of GNU-Linux then, and welcome to this list. That's why I considered buying 9.2. MDK

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
T. Ribbrock schrieb am Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:00:05 +0200: Recently, I've been considering whether MDK is worth my while in that regard, but with current developments, I don't feel they are. You ever considered asking whether *you* are worth Mandrake's while? As a sales rep I'd let you just go and

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread Wolfgang Bornath
T. Ribbrock schrieb am Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:09:04 +0200: I sincerely hope, that MDK is never forced to go down that route. I think you are mixing MandrakeSoft and Debian. MandrakeSoft has a different business model than Red Hat or SuSE but they are still a company which has to hand out pay checks

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 07:49:30AM -0700, Rolf Pedersen wrote: Do you even use Mandrake? Yup, I have 9.1 on one of my machines. That's why I considered buying 9.2. MDK lost that sale. A product does not materialize out of thin air: it takes money for the people who

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-13 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 11:59:12AM -0400, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Do you ever watch sports? Take the US Open that just wrapped up last weekend. With the name *J.P. MorganChase* is plastered all over the walls of the courts in Arthur Ash stadium with the *IBM* scoreboard

[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 05:33:06AM -0400, Lee Wiggers wrote: Let's see if I understand this. Mdk sells advertising for megabucks to companies who want to reach mdk users. Mdk users simply avoid gui install and avoid adverts. So the logical next step is? Right: Remove the text install (or

[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 02:56:38PM +0300, Paul wrote: [...] I take this to mean that, once set up, the default screen-saver will display ads, rather than ads in the install. No, both. If I interpret Mandrake's statement correctly (URL in first mail of this thread), installer ads, ad bookmarks

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread Miark
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason to buy a box, *especially*, as the boxed version isn't

[expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread T. Ribbrock
On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have even less reason

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread Rolf Pedersen
T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I have

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread Miark
On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:21:34 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as they're making purchasing the box less attractive

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread Brant Fitzsimmons
T. Ribbrock wrote: On Fri, Sep 12, 2003 at 09:25:05AM -0400, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 14:15:48 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Logical conclusion: Don't buy Mandrake distros at all. Download them, remove the ads, be happy. As they're getting money that way anyway, I

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread H.J.Bathoorn
On Friday 12 September 2003 17:59, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Is it really a good idea to deny Mandrake the same type of revenue source because of an incorrect impression of advertising? I have my doubts whether it's only that. I think a lot of people actually like the stigma of Linux being

Re: [expert] Re: (OT)Mandrake and Advertising.

2003-09-12 Thread James Sparenberg
On Fri, 2003-09-12 at 08:54, Miark wrote: On Fri, 12 Sep 2003 16:21:34 +0200, T. Ribbrock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How is that a logical conclusion? Just because MDK has another revenue source doesn't mean they need your purchases/contributions any less. Apparently they don't, as