[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nyah, Vaj, you have no ant

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Shrug. There are mandatory requirements for TM teachers to perform puja. > > > > Does that automatically make them Hindu? > > > > No, it makes them Hindu-lite. Doesn

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > [...] > Well this is the best example of rationalization I have seen in a long > time. Clearly you are not an atheist. You believe in the "lively > creative fluctuations at the most subtle levels of consciousness." > Sounds like a fa

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> Still a total agnostic and likely wouldn't go save that I'm involved with an employee> of the organization. Does this make me a hypocrite, or merely polite? Polite IMO. Plus religious stuff can be very entertaining. I never hesitate to do religious stuff with religious people, bowing to Thai m

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nyah, Vaj, you have no an

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> No, not like Coke. That's *MMY's* definition. Others > have different definitions. There's no one universal > definition. I'm with Judy here. The term is highly context dependent. There is a legal context (keep it out of the schools) and then there is our own sniff test (smells like Hindu to m

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
Hi, I'm lawson, and I don't know what religion I am, but Vaj does... Lawson --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:03 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > So tell me the scientific basis for making "offerings" at the yearly > > > Laxmi Puja to increase prosperity in movement facilities? It is just > > > not mandatory for guys like you, but all movement leaders are > doing this

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread Stu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" wrote: > > From a friend: > > A friend of mine is very interested in learning TM, though he cannot > afford the current fee of $2500. Does anyone know of an independent TM > teacher who can provide instruction for less, in the San Francisco Ba

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Stu
vaj: > Repeat after me: > > My name is Tom/Lawson and I am a practicing Hindoo. > > Audience: Hi Tom/Lawson. Welcome to Hindoo's Anonymous. HA HA. > > Tom/Lawson: I admit I am a Hindoo and I have no control over it. > > Go on: take the first step. > I think there is a certain truth to this. Back w

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Stu
The Christiansare number counters, and any sign, and you're a Christian. How many Christians are Christians? Is there even one?Arhata > Nietzsche said, the last Christian died on the cross. s.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > > Atheists who obtain god consciousness may well remain atheists > > simply> because THEIR definition of "god" isn't met by the state of > > consciousness > referred

[FairfieldLife] A Clear Midnight (Walt Whitman)

2009-01-23 Thread arhatafreespeech
Santander, Spain January 21 A Clear Midnight by: Walt Whitman   This is thy hour O Soul, thy free flight into the wordless, Away from books, away from art, the day erased, the lesson done,

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > Atheists who obtain god consciousness may well remain atheists > simply> because THEIR definition of "god" isn't met by the state of > consciousness > referred to as "God Consciousness." > > You know who achieves "God Conscious

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > It is fine for meditators to say that TM is not religious for them. > But TM's religious nature is Hindu derived for its teachers and > fulltime people. The movement seems less willing to hide that while > still claiming it

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread geezerfreak
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Nyah, Vaj, you have no anti-TM agenda... > > > > > > > > Additinally TM mantras are NOT derived fro

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Shrug. There are mandatory requirements for TM teachers to perform puja. > > Does that automatically make them Hindu? > No, it makes them Hindu-lite. Doesn't puja mean worship?

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jan

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > Nyah, Vaj, you have no anti-TM agenda... > > > > > > > > > L. > > > > But Lawson, what did Gina say

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > Plus which, even if that *is* the purpose of religion, > it doesn't mean that anything that binds people back > to their source is therefore a religion. That's like > saying that the purpose of a horse is to draw a cart, > therefore anyt

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > A court can't rule that a tea

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > A court can't rule that a teaching is "a religion" > > > in some universal sense, as if it had authori

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > A court can't rule that a teaching is "a religion" > > > in some universal sense, as if it had author

[FairfieldLife] Biden Praises Hillary at State Department meeting

2009-01-23 Thread raunchydog
http://tinyurl.com/adq67q

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > A court can't rule that a teaching is "a religion" > > in some universal sense, as if it had authorization > > from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable > > thing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirpal Singh's journey to Rishikesh

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
---Precisely! According to this Guru (below - Swami Satyeswarananda), that particular Sidhi (rising above bodily consciousness) is indicative of an advanced level of Self-Realization. This is not to say that one can rise above bodily consciousness through other means, and not even be in CC yet.

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > ---Somebody has to make a judgement, might as well > be the courts. Analogous situation with the Fundie > attempt to disguise Creationism as science. Courts > decided. Yes. And I agree with the court's decision in the TM case, because i

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > A court can't rule that a teaching is "a religion" > in some universal sense, as if it had authorization > from God, or as if religion was a clearly definable > thing like a can of Coke. Here's MMY's definition of Religion: "The word

[FairfieldLife] Network Solutions Under Large Scale DDoS Attack, Millions of Websites Potentially Unreachable

2009-01-23 Thread I am the eternal
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090123_network_solutions_down_ddos_attack/ http://tinyurl.com/dm6bem

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
---Somebody has to make a judgement, might as well be the courts. Analogous situation with the Fundie attempt to disguise Creationism as science. Courts decided. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > > > from t

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirpal Singh's journey to Rishikesh

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > sometime during the 40's: >> How many are there > who really give you an experience of how to rise above body- > consciousness? I don't know of anyone in TM who has risen above body consciousness for any length of time (not that th

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, > if it walks and talks like a duck > Transcendental Meditation was ruled a religion by > the United States District Court, District of New > Jersey No, it wasn't: > "1. That the Sc

[FairfieldLife] Re: fluoride in water

2009-01-23 Thread Nelson
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe Smith" wrote: > > Anyone have any opinions on fluoride in the drinking water, it's > benefits and health problems.Does Vedic City fluoridate it's water as > well as MUM? > Google it and it should be easy to decide Opinion- very bad stuff. N.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:03 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: One last chance to save mankind

2009-01-23 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > "There is one way we could save ourselves and that is through the > massive burial of charcoal. It would mean farmers turning all their > agricultural waste - which contains carbon that the plants have spent > the summer sequestering -

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Ram's big show....

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > Can you define 'enlightenment' in one or two sentences? > > OffWorld Initially, we become Self-Realized, that is we Realize that we are indeed made in the image of God. Then, as you know, our consciousness expands to embrace the

[FairfieldLife] Kirpal Singh's journey to Rishikesh

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
sometime during the 40's: " "When my Master left the body, I had to go to the wilderness. I had some experience of the jungle and secluded places for five or six months. I went to [Rishikesh] the home of Hindu theology, so to say. Shivananda, who has since passed away, lived there, and many

[FairfieldLife] One last chance to save mankind

2009-01-23 Thread raunchydog
"There is one way we could save ourselves and that is through the massive burial of charcoal. It would mean farmers turning all their agricultural waste - which contains carbon that the plants have spent the summer sequestering - into non-biodegradable charcoal, and burying it in the soil. Then you

[FairfieldLife] Re: Kirpal Singh on rising above bodily consciousness

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > "Summing up, we have to rise above body-consciousness and recognize > our own real Nature. This can be done by a process of inversion of > our attention and by contacting the Light of Life within us. When > once we taste this divine Be

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Ram's big show....

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: Circumstances being what they were, > neither admission could be of any benefit. Silence, though, could..." I would beg to differ, it is of great import to know that for one, the

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> Porhips. Then again, any "god consciousness" episodes I have had, I merely > credit to some variation in how my brain functions. Unless/until I float around > the room, I won't assign any more significance to them that that. > > Even after, I might wonder a bit... > > > Lawson That sounds hon

[FairfieldLife] Kirpal Singh on rising above bodily consciousness

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
"Summing up, we have to rise above body-consciousness and recognize our own real Nature. This can be done by a process of inversion of our attention and by contacting the Light of Life within us. When once we taste this divine Beatitude, we lose our love for the world. While living in the world

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> > So tell me the scientific basis for making "offerings" at the yearly > > Laxmi Puja to increase prosperity in movement facilities? It is just > > not mandatory for guys like you, but all movement leaders are doing this. > > > Shrug. There are mandatory requirements for TM teachers to perform

[FairfieldLife] Re: TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" wrote: > > from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, if it walks and > talks like a duck > > " > Is TM a Religion? I call it a Religious Sciencesounds more honest to me. You could make the argument that it isn't a Religion

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > Atheists who obtain god consciousness may well remain atheists > simply> because THEIR definition of "god" isn't met by the state of > consciousness > referred to as "God Consciousness." > > You know who achieves "God Consciou

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > According to TM'ists, TM underlies all religions and religions are > > > next to nothing without TM. Sounds religious. Can you be an > > atheist > > > and be a true TM believer? How do you deal with God consiousness?>> >

[FairfieldLife] TM a religion?

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
from the behind-the-TM-facade website: basicall, if it walks and talks like a duck " Is TM a Religion? Ruling of the United States District Court Religious Meaning of Mantras Religious Meaning of Puja Initiation Ceremony Why Disguise the Religious Nature of the Practice? Ru

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > > According to TM'ists, TM underlies all religions and religions are > > > next to nothing without TM. Sounds religious. Can you be an > > atheist > > > and be a true TM believer? How do you deal with God consiousness?>>

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> Atheists who obtain god consciousness may well remain atheists simply> because THEIR definition of "god" isn't met by the state of consciousness > referred to as "God Consciousness." You know who achieves "God Consciousness" in the movement? Highly imaginative people with dramatic personalities

[FairfieldLife] Re: True Experimental Designs

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > Absolute crap. >. I'm afraid that the scientific community considers pre-test and post- test control group as a valid method. So your 'Absolute crap' comment is rather laughable. The study used valid methods. You will have to dis

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> > According to TM'ists, TM underlies all religions and religions are > > next to nothing without TM. Sounds religious. Can you be an > atheist > > and be a true TM believer? How do you deal with God consiousness?>> > > Of course you can be an athiest. I am an atheist. > Maharishi explains t

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > > > > If a guy goes to a Jesus

[FairfieldLife] Re: True Experimental Designs

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > Absolute crap. And it is being promoted all over the net. Someone > sent out a press release. > > The "peer reviewed journal" is an online journal edited by grad > students who look for reviewers from all levels of the education

[FairfieldLife] "false-Guru" on TM in schools

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
from the Guruphiliac blogspot: At 4/12/2006 9:38 AM, falseguru said... Let's not forget that the TM organization generally is a very shitty religion. It has all the worst features of the world's other religions: dogma, superstition, hierarchy, the notion that the rich can buy God, ambitions t

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > > > > If a guy goes to a Jesu

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings > > wrote: > >>> > >>> If a guy goes to a Jesus church, an

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > Nyah, Vaj, you have no anti-TM agenda... > > > > > > L. > > But Lawson, what did Gina say that was not true? > I've spoken with her before, IIRC. She hasn't lived a

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > > > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he cl

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > > > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he cl

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > > On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > > > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but > > he just likes going to the church...is

[FairfieldLife] Re: True Experimental Designs

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
Absolute crap. And it is being promoted all over the net. Someone sent out a press release. The "peer reviewed journal" is an online journal edited by grad students who look for reviewers from all levels of the education community. And don't forget, the study may have been poisoned by telli

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:37 PM, off_world_beings wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises al

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread yifuxero
---Right: there's a statement somewhere in the Bible about "lukewarm" believers along the lines of (at Judgement day, those people will be "spewed out). Therefore by Christianity's own standards, there are only "active" Christians and the rest are destined to perdition. Of course, the standards

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:09 PM, off_world_beings wrote: > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but > he just likes going to the church...is Christianity his religion? No, unless the "church" happens to be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Vaj
On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:07 PM, sparaig wrote: > Nyah, Vaj, you have no anti-TM agenda... That's right. I'm a BIG fan of separation of Church and State.

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread ruthsimplicity
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > Nyah, Vaj, you have no anti-TM agenda... > > > L. But Lawson, what did Gina say that was not true?

Re: [FairfieldLife] Marshy's World 2

2009-01-23 Thread Vaj
I posted the last one yesterday. Sorry, but the authors wants them posted in TIFF format. On Jan 23, 2009, at 7:45 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Where did this come from? Are there others?

RE: [FairfieldLife] Marshy's World 2

2009-01-23 Thread Rick Archer
Where did this come from? Are there others?

[FairfieldLife] Vatican goes Youtube

2009-01-23 Thread Arhata Osho
http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=oUcnCDQPLvM&feature=channelCBCnews.ca Friday, January 23, 2009   Pope featured on Vatican's new YouTube channel     The Vatican launched its own YouTube channel on Friday, hoping to reach out to a global audience and take back some

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Arhata Osho wrote: > > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but > > he just likes going to the church...is Christianity his religion? The

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > > > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but > > he just likes going to

[FairfieldLife] True Experimental Designs

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
TRUE EXPERIMENTAL DESIGNS Characteristics – Random assignment – Control group Three typical designs – Pretest post-test control group design – Post-test only control group design – Solomon four-group design http://www.eiu.edu/~lhelsel/tec5143/Ch_Notes/Tec5143Chap10_files/v3_do cument.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread Arhata Osho
If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but he just likes going to the church...is Christianity his religion?The Christiansare number counters, and any sign, and you're a Christi

[FairfieldLife] Re: Misleading headline but The Review gets facts right...

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > > > Exactly! The MUM Review author got it right because they recognized > the study is very weak without a control group>> > > "Since this was an exploratory study, we chose

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judge Obama on Performance Alone

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoo

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings wrote: > > If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in > Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but > he just likes going to the church...is Christianity his religion? > > OffWorld Ever been

[FairfieldLife] Re: Misleading headline but The Review gets facts right...

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter wrote: > > Exactly! The MUM Review author got it right because they recognized the study is very weak without a control group>> "Since this was an exploratory study, we chose to use a pretest-post test design with a single cohort. The subjects served

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Ram's big show....

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > One thing that bothered me about MMY was that he always presented > himself with a facade as one who was enlightened, but never said if he > was!! He may very well have been, but why not spill the beans and let > everyone know? He wasn't c

[FairfieldLife] Torn with Signs (wonderful, moving, funny)

2009-01-23 Thread Arhata Osho
http://uk.youtube. com/watch? v=zTMtohHXm4o  http://www.freedomofspeech.netfirms.com/

[FairfieldLife] TM Marketing Genius (was Re: Independent TM Teachers in the Bay Area?)

2009-01-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" wrote: > > > "boo_lives" > > You mean bad marketers? If TM is the greatest meditation > > ever taught on earth that produces immediate transcending, > > bliss and longer term scientifically proven perfect health, > > support of life in ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judge Obama on Performance Alone

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Williams wasn't addressing the

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "uns_tressor" wrote: > > > "boo_lives" > > You mean bad marketers? If TM is the greatest meditation > > ever taught on earth that produces immediate transcending, > > bliss and longer term scientifically proven perfect health, > > support of life in ever

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > The whole thing is really a very narrow edge. Once > > you realize how exceptionally delicate TM is, it's > > easy to understand how, as MMY said, it could have

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2009-01-23 Thread FFL PostCount
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Jan 17 00:00:00 2009 End Date (UTC): Sat Jan 24 00:00:00 2009 706 messages as of (UTC) Fri Jan 23 23:54:22 2009 50 TurquoiseB 49 authfriend 46 I am the eternal 37 Vaj 33 Bhairitu 31 Arhata Osho 30 Duveyoung 29 rau

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judge Obama on Performance Alone

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Williams wasn't addressing the "hysterical types." > > > He was addressing (1) those who characterize an

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
If a guy goes to a Jesus church, and says he doesn't believe in Jesus, God, or the Bible, and he claims he despises all religion, but he just likes going to the church...is Christianity his religion? OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Write a letter like this: > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: What to do if you find out TM is going to be taught in a school near you.

2009-01-23 Thread sparaig
Nyah, Vaj, you have no anti-TM agenda... L. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj wrote: > > Write a letter like this: > > > 310 Nova Albion Way > San Rafael, CA 94903 > > cc. San Rafael City School Board members > Marin Independent Journal > > 16 October, 2006 > > Carole Ramsey, prin

[FairfieldLife] Re: Raja Ram's big show....

2009-01-23 Thread off_world_beings
Can you define 'enlightenment' in one or two sentences? OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "BillyG." wrote: > > One thing that bothered me about MMY was that he always presented > himself with a facade as one who was enlightened, but never said if he > was!! He may very well have be

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers?

2009-01-23 Thread I am the eternal
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > Since I didn't know what menudo is, I looked it up: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menudo_(soup). > It's made with tripe, or stomach and intestines, as is Campbell's > Philadelphia Pepper Pot s

[FairfieldLife] Raja Ram's big show....

2009-01-23 Thread BillyG.
One thing that bothered me about MMY was that he always presented himself with a facade as one who was enlightened, but never said if he was!! He may very well have been, but why not spill the beans and let everyone know? He wasn't candid and that made him very enigmatic. Now I think Raja Nader Ra

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers?

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > > I asked a friend who owns a Mexican restaurant if he would indulge > me some > > day and allow me a little bowl of the Mexican breakfast of champions, > > menudo. He said of course he would. He went on to say that his > menudo

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers?

2009-01-23 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of I am the eternal Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 5:29 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM, raunchydog wrote: Good

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers?

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> I asked a friend who owns a Mexican restaurant if he would indulge me some > day and allow me a little bowl of the Mexican breakfast of champions, > menudo. He said of course he would. He went on to say that his menudo was > of much higher class than that served at competing restaurants. His w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers?

2009-01-23 Thread I am the eternal
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 11:30 AM, raunchydog wrote: > Good to know it's the guaca-mole type of mole and not the critter type > of mole you're eating. Is molepoblano a good sauce for critter mole? > > Need I remind you that Texas is not that far from Lousiana, where they'll eat anything, and Mexic

RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread Rick Archer
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of boo_lives Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 8:46 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area? 1. Would TM have been a marketing succ

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
> Had the blockheads taken their TM benefits to a top professional > course in international marketing, then the TMO would have > really taken off. > > This could yet happen. The long form TM commercials were created by a professional marketing company. I don't think the problem is just in th

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread curtisdeltablues
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > When you ask about his banishment you may want to include how he felt > > about them writing him out of the History of the Movement book with > > zero pictures of Jerr

[FairfieldLife] Re: Judge Obama on Performance Alone

2009-01-23 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mainstream20016" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Again, with Sal, it's hard to know how much of her > > > demonization of me stems from int

[FairfieldLife] Re: Independent TM Teachers in the San Francisco Bay Area?

2009-01-23 Thread uns_tressor
> "boo_lives" > You mean bad marketers? If TM is the greatest meditation > ever taught on earth that produces immediate transcending, > bliss and longer term scientifically proven perfect health, > support of life in every way, etc etc, then what should it > matter that some block heads run

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Forest Dwelling Yogi

2009-01-23 Thread Vaj
That is true yifux, I have the letters that were exchanged. He left the Shambhala tradition to found his own trip. Of course the nice thing about being an authentic acharya with some realization, he's free to do as he sees best. I was most impressed in the letters at the humanity and mutual

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