BC - Brahman Consciousness
BN - Bliss Ninny or Bliss Nazi
CC - Cosmic Consciousness
GC - God Consciousness
MMY - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
OTP - Off the Program - a phrase used in the TM movement meaning to do
something (such as see another spiritual teacher) considered in violation of
Maharishi's
My reluctance to get involved in Yet Another Discussion
About Free Will is based on a belief in the value of some-
thing that those trying to get me to become involved seem
to lack: pragmatism.
One of my favorite quotes in recent years is, In theory,
there is no difference between theory and
Since four and a half million people have watched this BBC One
video that adds voices to film of animals in the wild, you may
be one of them and thus have seen it already. If you haven't,
and need to start your day with a laugh, you might want to
give it a look-see.
Spiritual Practice Groups of Fairfield
Directory of Active Fairfield Spiritual Practice Groups
Outside of Fairfield, people intently ask, What is going on in
Fairfield?
The spiritual, utopian side of Fairfield is something they are
wondering
about.
Those who think that free will may be an an illusion
couldn't ask for a better example of a person who
suffers from that illusion than Barry, who firmly
believes he has free will, oblivious to the fact
that in proclaiming it, he's actually advertising
how utterly he lacks it.
--- In
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
My reluctance to get involved in Yet Another Discussion
About Free Will is based on a belief in the value of some-
thing that those trying to get me to become involved seem
to lack: pragmatism.
One of my favorite quotes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
...I'm on the free will side, but don't see how the question
can be resolved
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tartbrain no_reply@... wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@ wrote:
...I'm on the
Sometimes I really love the view that non-believers in
Free Will have of the universe they live in and what
that implies about what the universe thinks of them.
They postulate essentially an enormous cuckoo clock,
in which all sentient beings are just automatons doing
what they've been
turquoiseb:
My particular confirmation bias, as a firm
believer in Free Will...
Maybe your belief in 'Free Will' is an indicator
that you believe in the 'God of Free Will'. If
anyone had free will, then they would be like
a God, able to change something from one thing
to another thing.
Liberty . . . is limited to the extent that it is relative, but it is
really liberty in so far as it is liberty and not something else.
What then is liberty considered independently of free creatures, or of
the particular case of a free creature? It is the consciousness of an
unlimited diversity
I forgot to add ... finally something beyond mechanistic scientism.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill emptybill@... wrote:
Liberty . . . is limited to the extent that it is relative, but it is
really liberty in so far as it is liberty and not something else.
What then is
This, another of Terje Sørgjerd's lovely time-lapse videos,
shows what the world would look like if we weren't just so
locked into one single timestream, moving at one single pace.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/24456787
My reluctance to get involved in Yet Another Discussion
About Free Will is based on a belief in the value of some-
thing that those trying to get me to become involved seem
to lack: pragmatism.
One of my favorite quotes in recent years is, In theory,
there is no difference
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:
This, another of Terje Sørgjerd's lovely time-lapse videos,
shows what the world would look like if we weren't just so
locked into one single timestream, moving at one single pace.
http://player.vimeo.com/video/24456787
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_theorem
But of course! Calcutta reminds me of Jackson-hole Wyoming! I was hoping to
find
a time-share there. No Judy, I'm not interested in any bridges in Jersey.
From: authfriend jst...@panix.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 30, 2011 8:35:59 PM
On another forum someone posted about today
being a day to celebrate those who fought
for liberty. I replied wars are for profit
and revolutions for liberty...
You sound pretty hopeful, but in the U.S.,
unlike over in Europe, it's usually the taxpayers
who
ah, c'mon throw in a Subway. Those injuns must get tired of all that curry.
From: whynotnow7 whynotn...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, May 31, 2011 5:04:33 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Give peace a chance ...
I think the defacto
I *understand* that Barry is deathly afraid to read
anything I write (and why), but others here have
answered his questions about free-will-as-illusion as
well, yet he keeps asking the same questions they've
already answered.
Apparently he's also deathly afraid of encountering
a rational case
...I'm on the free will side, but don't
see how the question can be resolved
logically.
turquoiseb:
IMO only those indulging in confirmation bias
believe that ANY philosophical question can be
resolved. :-)
There are millions of proofs for determinism
that can be cited every day
authfriend:
I *understand* that Barry is deathly afraid to read
anything I write (and why), but others here have
answered his questions about free-will-as-illusion as
well, yet he keeps asking the same questions they've
already answered.
Apparently he's also deathly afraid of encountering
Maharishi’s Global Family Chat Summary
May 23, 2011
Guru Purnima 2011 Announcement and Garden cities
http://www.maharishichannel.in/econtact_mailing/MAILING_OUT/2011_05/2011_05_23_momaya_peter.html
(that free will is an illusion); is a popular notion among researchers as
reported in magazines such as New Scientist and others; but remains a
supposition such that experiments may begin with suppose, (or assume) free
will is an illusion...; then such experiments may contrast various groups
Non-sequitur. The free will pov doesn't state that physical matter has to be
changed in any way. The mental intention is sufficient. One can say I will a
rock to levitate. The failure of the rock to levitate doesn't disprove the
free will. Somebody did the apparent willing but the outcome
On 06/01/2011 10:39 AM, WillyTex wrote:
I figure the unions have driven many companies to seek
cheap labor overseas. Who wants to pay assembly workers
$30 an hour plus benefits? I think the days of buying
American are over - it's a global economy now.
These are liberals like President Obama
Stay away from most popular entertainment. Most
of what passes for legitimate entertainment is
inferior or foolish and only caters to or exploits
people's weaknesses.
turquoiseb:
This sentence has just accurately described all of
the works of William Shakespeare. Just
And Reykjavik has it's share of those.
http://www.iceland-vacation-information.com/american-restaurants-in-reykjavik.html
As well as Starbucks and McDonalds.
On 06/01/2011 10:44 AM, Mike Dixon wrote:
ah, c'mon throw in a Subway. Those injuns must get tired of all that curry.
After being on here awhile on FFL, I have an impression of good stuff regarding
as many of us as came to mind -with a nod to Turq's earlier list:
Turq: Types almost as fast as he thinks, which truly blows me away. As close to
painting with words that I can come up with. Very cool talent wish
Sri Mata Amritanandamayi Devi, aka Amma the Hugging Saint, kicked
off her 25th North American tour with a six-plus hour hug-a-thon in a
suburban Seattle hotel ballroom on May 27.
There's more to Amma's bliss than just a sandalwood-scented cuddle: her
Embracing the World charity has
Also:
Bhairitu: Music, meditation, politics, tech and movies.
Sparaig: Precise and brainy.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
After being on here awhile on FFL, I have an impression of good stuff
regarding as many of us as came to mind -with a nod to
and whynotnow7: The man who destroys Ignorance through mere Presence,
regardless of circumstances.
http://www.fantasygallery.net/warren/art_4_jw34.html
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@... wrote:
Also:
Bhairitu: Music, meditation, politics, tech and movies.
...that people who profess to believe that there is
no Free Will, and that every thought and idea they
have ever had in their lives was implanted in their
heads by the screenwriter who wrote the script of
their lives, can at the same time feel such a sense
of ownership towards these ideas
The ways of the New Time
by the Master , through Benjamin Creme, 11 April 2011
Recent events in the Middle East have brought humanity face to face with
a number of problems. The Western powers have become embroiled, largely
against their will, in a Libyan civil war which they did not recognize
Global fraud: global hope
by Paul Hellyer
The following is an abridged version of a speech by former Canadian
Deputy Prime Minister and Defence Minister Paul Hellyer at the
International UFO Congress held in Arizona, USA, in February 2011. Mr
Hellyer not only gave Share International permission
Nice picture! I have always loved seeing the sun come through the face of a
wave, and pierce the clouds.
I will leave the title of chief butt kicker of Ignorance to Shiva. After all,
He has bigger feet than I do.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
and whynotnow7:
Visitors from outer space are welcome
Many Americans not only believe that space people exist, but actually
welcome the chance to meet visitors from outer space. A recent study
found that 50 per cent of people are excited by the prospect of contact
with extra-terrestrials, and believe that these
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Alien_Diner
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@... wrote:
Visitors from outer space are welcome
Many Americans not only believe that space people exist, but actually
welcome the chance to meet
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Yifu yifuxero@... wrote:
http://www.startlingart.com/Viewer.asp?ImageSource=fine_artFileName=Alien_Diner
HeHe ;-)
http://share-international.org/magazine/old_issues/2011/2011-05.htm
do.rflex:
It's mainly due to our own actions that
negatively affect nature...
Somebody got really mixed up about karma!
In general, followers of the Buddhism and
many followers of Hinduism traditions consider
the natural laws of causation sufficient to
explain the effects of karma...
And what would be a natural law that explains moral causation?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex willytex@... wrote:
do.rflex:
It's mainly due to our own actions that
negatively affect nature...
Somebody got really mixed up about karma!
In general, followers of the
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb) speak
for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal view of the
universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't really think very
much of them [the no-free-will adherents]'). Someone pass the crown! I
certainly do
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Xenophaneros Anartaxius
anartaxius@... wrote:
This is really valuable information to know, that you (turquoiseb) speak
for the whole universe ('I think this is a pretty dismal view of the
universe and indicates that the universe ... doesn't really
On Soul suicide (best to replace the S word with subtle body or bodies). In
any event, refer to post #277826. As to subtle body suicide, this is the
official TMO version of existence, or fate; among the Enlightened upon physical
death.
...
Shankara's commentary on the Brahma Sutras (Cf.
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On Behalf Of whynotnow7
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:55 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL impressions
Rick Archer: An endless and effective gift for facilitating and documenting
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I used the words as turquoiseb used them. I personally do not prefer the word
soul because it has confusing implications or possible equivocations when
dealing with multiple spiritual traditions. For myself, I have no clue as to
what a 'subtle body' is. I know people talk of this, but what is
Remember the Tea Party guy who famously yelled at his
congressman, Keep your government hands off my Medicare?
That's Barry: Keep your determinist hands off my free will!
Xeno, excellent job of laying things out. I don't think
it'll do any more good than explaining to the Tea Partier
that
Of course...(as to detection). Basically a subtle body or bodies as a composite
would be, starting with definitions of what an individual body is (in some
traditions, people don't have bodies. They are bodies, or a body/mind). Then
a simple definition as a starting point would be a body/mind
In religious terminology, this is called
the will of God...
I'm much more comfortable with a more
Buddhist view of the universe in which
everyone has Free Will...
There are no Buddhists that believe in a
'Free Will' because that would mean that
they ascribe to the 'soul-monad'
any birds, insects, or fish?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@... wrote:
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of whynotnow7
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 1:55 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife]
authfriend:
Remember the Tea Party guy who famously yelled at his
congressman, Keep your government hands off my Medicare?
That's Barry: Keep your determinist hands off my free will!
Xeno, excellent job of laying things out. I don't think
it'll do any more good than explaining to the
from Buddhanet.net: (especially last sentence Such a fatalistic doctrine is
not the Buddhist Law of Karma); as well as the sentence Thus, for those who
fall back on the former deeds as the essential reason..:
Thus, from a Buddhist point of view, our present mental, moral intellectual
and
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of whynotnow7
Sent: Wednesday, June 01, 2011 8:59 PM
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL impressions
any birds, insects, or fish?
Plenty of birds and insects. We feed the
Yifu, thank you for taking time to answer my queries. I am not convinced of
this. One can have many unusual experience in meditation. Near death
experiences have been tested in certain ways, such as seeing if persons who say
they have had those experiences were able to read messages over the
right...whatever people want, and that seems natural them; just fine with me
(within certain limits). On the whole, the notion of more options available for
choosing sounds better than fewer.
Orthodox Christianity following Paul especially is geared (imo) toward an
immortality of subtle bodily
Enlightenment means freedom from the 'conditioned mind' 'the past' and 'the
future' that's all...
Becoming innocent like a child again...
'Radiate the 'Light of Your Own Being'..
And help to continue the dispelling of darkness...
Radiating 'Truth' dispelling layers of liars, lieing...
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http://www.h6.dion.ne.jp/~m.mirage/newsize-image/automaton.jpg
What's wrong with the good ol' serenity prayer - serenity to accept
things I cannot change (fate) and courage to change things I can (free
will)? I don't agree that Bhagavad Gita was advocating determinism.
Enlightenment also mostly seems to be a result of both, the will to be
free and the grace
Thanks for sharing your thoughts :-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, whynotnow7 whynotnow7@...
wrote:
After being on here awhile on FFL, I have an impression of good stuff
regarding as many of us as came to mind -with a nod to Turq's earlier
list:
Turq: Types almost as fast as he thinks,
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