[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > Ahhh, thanks for clarifying. I guess Curtis just jumped > the gun a little and didn't realize you were unaware of > that post before he was. Curtis was commenting on the fact that over the many years that Nablus has been "Buddhist

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
Ahhh, thanks for clarifying. I guess Curtis just jumped the gun a little and didn't realize you were unaware of that post before he was. I guess you didn't disappoint in the end because I didn't hear Jiminy, or any other cricket for that matter, once you got wind of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yah

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > "By what pushes their butt

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > Phew, I'm glad somebody could decipher that message but I still > don't know what it means. Crickets? As in Jiminy?? In this type of context, "Crickets" means silence, as in, the only thing you hear is crickets. With any luck, the po

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
Not only do I not "fuss" about it, I don't get it. I'm lucky to get my response in the right post let alone organize how it is formatted. Maybe that is why some people can't make head nor tail of what the hell I'm trying to say half the time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
Phew, I'm glad somebody could decipher that message but I still don't know what it means. Crickets? As in Jiminy?? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > Wow Nabbie, I fear that the crew who gave B

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > > Xenophaneros Anartaxius: > >> To me, everybody on this this forum looks like text. > > > Well there's text, and then there is plain text. > > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: "To get a Human Body is a Rare Thing -make full use of it."

2012-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
Great quote you showed me there. I have not seen that before. I am going to borrow it for later use. Thank you. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > > > I would not think to correct any blunder

[FairfieldLife] Re: "To get a Human Body is a Rare Thing -make full use of it."

2012-03-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > I would not think to correct any blunder you may or may not make. Most of the > subjects you write about are not in my ability to speak intelligently or > coherently about. I am happy to see that you seem unperturbed, and > undistu

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" wrote: > Xenophaneros Anartaxius: >> To me, everybody on this this forum looks like text. > Well there's text, and then there is plain text. > > Do you notice how there is an right angle bracket > before each sentence Turq posts? He lea

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > OK, found it. You have to open the message thread, which I never > do, to delete. It's now deleted. Thank you, Nabby.

[FairfieldLife] Post Count

2012-03-28 Thread FFL PostCount
Fairfield Life Post Counter === Start Date (UTC): Sat Mar 24 00:00:00 2012 End Date (UTC): Sat Mar 31 00:00:00 2012 410 messages as of (UTC) Wed Mar 28 23:47:16 2012 43 nablusoss1008 38 turquoiseb 38 "Richard J. Williams" 36 authfriend 34 Emily Reyn 32 Yifu 24 curtisd

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
I did read your post. I think it is tragic this man died, it seems to be a meme in Asia to do this sort of thing. I was just not responding to your reasons, I was responding to what I felt. Your reasons are yours, but they are not real to me, just you perhaps, but I did have a reaction. I just f

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
Oh, Oscar Wilde, one of my most favourite humans. Thanks for quoting him. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > "By what pushes their butt

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrot

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > > wr

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldL

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > I find an image like this ruffles me as well, but I do not take > the attitude that it is good or bad, but attempt to see why I > react in a certain way. I think it stimulates deep-rooted fear, > the kind of thing that over

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > > wrote: > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > Nabby, this was ent

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" > wrote: >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> Nabby, this was enti

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > >> Nabby, this was entirely unnecessary and hugely offensive > >> for any number of re

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread Xenophaneros Anartaxius
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: >> Nabby, this was entirely unnecessary and hugely offensive >> for any number of reasons. Please delete it. > I don't see why this picture from New Delhi is more offensive th

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > Nabby, this was entirely unnecessary and hugely offensive > > > for any number of reasons. Ple

[FairfieldLife] Melancholia, the movie

2012-03-28 Thread Susan
Barry or Bhairi, Did you see the movie Melancholia? Whew. SO heavy. I saw netlfixed it. Amazing images and fabulous cast, but I found it disjointed (the wedding vs the time after). And incredibly intense.

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > Nabby, this was entirely unnecessary and hugely offensive > > for any number of reasons. Please delete it. > > I don't see why this picture from New Delhi is more off

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread Susan
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Thanks for extending the discussion Barry. > > What interests me now is the relationship between this more obvious > manifestation of our cognitive gaps, and how it relates to why I might boil > the water to use in my neti

[FairfieldLife] After all these years...

2012-03-28 Thread cardemaister
..."Jimi finally can sing"?! ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsNlcr4frs4

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Nabby, this was entirely unnecessary and hugely offensive > for any number of reasons. Please delete it. I don't see why this picture from New Delhi is more offensive than the evil posts he has made about Gurus, Masters and Teacher

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Wow Nabbie, I fear that the crew who gave Barry a rash of S for his remark > about the solder being "a bit off" are going to have a field day working you > over on this sensitivity issue. > > They will right? > > Crickets. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
Nabby, this was entirely unnecessary and hugely offensive for any number of reasons. Please delete it.

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread marekreavis
Nice looking filter pump, Nablusoss1008, and I agree that once you're sure about a product's dependability there's little reason to switch absent some other consideration readjusting your overall evaluation. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > --- In Fairfield

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hunger Games and Roger Corman

2012-03-28 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > I guess because it is horror and not sci-fi I don't recall > "The Cabin in the Woods" being on your recent "must see." > Releases the 13th in the US and the 19th in your neighborhood > but you've probably already seen it. > What self

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Wow Nabbie, I fear that the crew who gave Barry a rash of S for > his remark about the solder being "a bit off" are going to have > a field day working you over on this sensitivity issue. > > They will right? > > Crickets. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" wrote: > > Curtis, the lowest priced SteriPen is $50, I just copied the first product page I came across. The Katadyn filter bottle is probably just as good for your purposes but the SteriPen looks to be a bit more convenient with the extra "coo

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread marekreavis
I'd be careful sparking a plastic bowl! *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > The pen is way cooler, thanks. Plus it looks like it might double as a > chillum! > > Thanks again for the great idea. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" wro

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Hunger Games and Roger Corman

2012-03-28 Thread Bhairitu
On 03/28/2012 11:29 AM, turquoiseb wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: >> For one thing I found it interesting that Ross used more of a >> 1930's depression era setting for District 12. I think a >> foreign director would have used more of a modern setting but >> run dow

[FairfieldLife] Re: A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
Wow Nabbie, I fear that the crew who gave Barry a rash of S for his remark about the solder being "a bit off" are going to have a field day working you over on this sensitivity issue. They will right? Crickets. I forgot how the place works for a second, sorry. You'll be just fine, carry on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
The pen is way cooler, thanks. Plus it looks like it might double as a chillum! Thanks again for the great idea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" wrote: > > Curtis, the lowest priced SteriPen is $50, I just copied the first product > page I came across. The Katadyn filter bo

[FairfieldLife] Breiviks previous incarnation??

2012-03-28 Thread cardemaister
http://www.nrk.no/kultur-og-underholdning/1.8051362

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread marekreavis
Actually, at the site they have posted 8 reviews on one of their models, the Adventurer. Three or four of those reviews spoke of using it in India and Nepal with good results. That's what convinced me to try it out. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > ---

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread marekreavis
Curtis, the lowest priced SteriPen is $50, I just copied the first product page I came across. The Katadyn filter bottle is probably just as good for your purposes but the SteriPen looks to be a bit more convenient with the extra "cool" factor thrown in. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.co

[FairfieldLife] A friend of The Turq makes a run for samadhi

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" wrote: > > I'm getting one for backpacking. I've used one of the MSR ceramic filter > pumps for years occasionally in concert with iodine, but this looks like the > right size and weight for my increasingly lightweight backpacking tendencies.

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread David
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > . > > But Bugarach ? Never heard of the place. I thought he was a musician. >

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
I wondering if this is a $50 solution to my $100 problem? Katadyn Exstream XR Purifier Camping Water Bottle 8014200 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=Katadyn+Exstream+XR+Purifier+Water+Bottle&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1632266337093

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread marekreavis
I'm getting one for backpacking. I've used one of the MSR ceramic filter pumps for years occasionally in concert with iodine, but this looks like the right size and weight for my increasingly lightweight backpacking tendencies. *** --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrot

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Hunger Games and Roger Corman

2012-03-28 Thread turquoiseb
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > For one thing I found it interesting that Ross used more of a > 1930's depression era setting for District 12. I think a > foreign director would have used more of a modern setting but > run down like so many countries that have been des

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
Brilliant solution Marek! The great thing is that I can travel with it and still maintain my pre-show ritual. Thanks for the idea. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "marekreavis" wrote: > > Curtis, how about trying something like this: > > http://www.steripen.com/journey > > It does come

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread marekreavis
Curtis, how about trying something like this: http://www.steripen.com/journey It does comes with the hassle of having to buy a new piece of equipment, but it's quick and easy to use and the already-the-right-temperature tap water would be safe to shove up your nose. *** --- In FairfieldLife@y

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
Thanks for extending the discussion Barry. What interests me now is the relationship between this more obvious manifestation of our cognitive gaps, and how it relates to why I might boil the water to use in my neti pot or not. Let me explain. I've loved using the neti pot nasal flush since In

[FairfieldLife] The Hunger Games and Roger Corman

2012-03-28 Thread Bhairitu
First off a disc recommendation if you are really into films and Roger Corman. http://movies.netflix.com/Movie/Corman_s_World_Exploits_of_a_Hollywood_Rebel/70166246 This a great documentary and tribute to Roger Corman. Of course Corman wouldn't have made "The Hunger Games" for $78 million but m

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread turquoiseb
As you often do, Curtis, you nailed it. This hype, and its location, does not surprise me at all. The south of France has been a hotbed of crazies and cultists for centuries, and I'm talking since shortly after the death of Christ, when Mary Magdalene supposedly moved there and generated a cult ar

[FairfieldLife] Re: "To get a Human Body is a Rare Thing -make full use of it."

2012-03-28 Thread Buck
Gratitude, http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=gXDMoiEkyuQ&vq=medium > > There are four million forms of lives, which a soul can gather. After that > one gets a human body. Therefore one should not waste this chance. > > > > > Whatever may have happened up until now may be because you didn

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread curtisdeltablues
The fact that you can't connect this obvious cognitive gap in these people with your own odd belief in Maitreya is such a curious human phenomenon Nabby. You have not heard their full rational for why they believe this, but I guarantee they have reasons that are compelling to them. Reasons tha

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > > After seventeen years of watch-ing what > > > Judy DOES... > > > > > Aside from all the other obvious absurdities > > and inadvertent ironies in this latest anti-Judy > > diatribe... > > Emily Reyn: > My perception is that he wakes up every morning and > gets out all his aggression or ang

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > "The Independent," as I remember, is an infamous British tabloid, > > famous for headlines like "Aliens forced me to eat my baby" and > > "Michael Jackson rises

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > I would also seriously doubt the numbers touted in this article, > > because as I say there is literally nothing there, and nowhere > > for all of these supposed "esoteri

[FairfieldLife] Re: When all else fails...

2012-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
Xenophaneros Anartaxius: > To me, everybody on this this forum looks like text. > Well there's text, and then there is plain text. Do you notice how there is an right angle bracket before each sentence Turq posts? He learned that from Judy over on Usenet, years ago. Others just use text wrap a

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > I would also seriously doubt the numbers touted in this article, > because as I say there is literally nothing there, and nowhere > for all of these supposed "esoterics" to stay. The whole thing > sounds like a put-on to me, something to s

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread nablusoss1008
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > "The Independent," as I remember, is an infamous British tabloid, > famous for headlines like "Aliens forced me to eat my baby" and > "Michael Jackson rises from the grave and gives impromptu > performance in Trafalgar Square." Well we

[FairfieldLife] Re: Oprah TM, the morning after...

2012-03-28 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > Louis CK is my favorite modern comedian with Larry David as a close second. > Check out some Youtubes on Family Guy sometime for some cutting edge animated > work beyond my beloved Simpsons. I have learned a lot from that s

[FairfieldLife] Ni Hao to Some Snows (Lumia)!

2012-03-28 Thread cardemaister
http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/03/28/china-says-ni-hao-to-the-nokia-lumia/

[FairfieldLife] Re: French commune home to 20,000 "doomsday cultists" awaiting alien salvation

2012-03-28 Thread turquoiseb
Funny. This place is fairly near Sauve, where I used to live. It is noted (among sane people) only for being the source of a famously non-notable wine, which was touted far and wide by its inept but aggressive vintners as being much better than it was. I would not be surprised to learn that this wh