Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-29 Thread Mike Dixon
Hah! I train my falcons with a kite like those. I got it from Into the Wind  in Bolder Colorado. I send the kite up 500+ ft and suspend a lure under it and the falcon flies up and grabs the lure which slides down the string with the falcon hanging on. Great exercise for the bird. Like P90X for f

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-29 Thread merudanda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmwgDfLigs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmwgDfLigs other posters kite? 'Mahila akhada' Judy and Swami Turquoisebe? maharishis pandits? Golden Dome male and female peace flying choir?

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread emilymaenot
I think it would be the noticing, or maybe the recognizing, if one would call that an "effort." I don't know that being "aware" that there are thoughts emanating would be an "effort." I was subjectively defining these terms; I don't do TM, remember, so I don't speak with an understanding of the

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread authfriend
As Xeno knows, all-caps are often used for emphasis in Web comments. No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of 'an'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He knows that. He'

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread anartaxius
No, I was having fun, but I was unaware of Michael's situation at home. The first typo is 'IS' instead of 'Is' and the second typo is 'and' instead of 'an'. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not "a couple" as

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread authfriend
He knows that. He's just being disagreeable. And there's only one typo, not "a couple" as he says. It was supposed to read "Is TM an Effortless Practice?" Note that the subject of this thread 'IS TM and Effortless Practice' is nonsensical because of a couple of typos. The first pa

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Michael Jackson
;send" On Fri, 3/28/14, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 28, 2014, 6:32 PM  

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Michael Jackson
It was supposed to read "Is TM an Effortless Practice?" On Fri, 3/28/14, anartax...@yahoo.com wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice? To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, March 28, 201

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Share Long
Emily, which is effort, the noticing or the witnessing? BTW, I'm not a TM teacher so not really trained in all this. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:54 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew?  Although, maybe I'm not, because I certainly "n

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread emilymaenot
Wow...I guess I transcend when I meditate - who knew? Although, maybe I'm not, because I certainly "notice" the fact that I am witnessing my thoughts, which I consider an "effort." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the same time tha

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Share Long
Emily, witnessing thoughts is transcending at the same time that thinking is happening and yes, it is effortless. On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:39 PM, "emilymae...@yahoo.com" wrote:   Share, I assume that "witnessing thoughts" is not transcendencein that "it may be" that with advanced

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread emilymaenot
Share, I assume that "witnessing thoughts" is not transcendencein that "it may be" that with advanced TM'ers, you being one, this can happen also. Is this what you meant? Do you think "witnessing thoughts" is "effortless"? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Or you could be

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread anartaxius
Note that the subject of this thread 'IS TM and Effortless Practice' is nonsensical because of a couple of typos. The first part 'IS TM' would seem to be asking if there is such as thing as TM, unless this means there is something called 'IS TM' whose existence is being questioned. Maybe

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Share Long
Or you could be witnessing thoughts the whole time... On Friday, March 28, 2014 1:02 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote:   On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think it would take a bit of effort not to

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/28/2014 10:22 AM, Share Long wrote: > Yep, for me it's like the realization is the kite and the tail of the > kite is the mantra... > It's like a the "vibration"system in Kashmir which is described as the "vibration/movement" of consciousness, a kind of throb, which is the essence of some

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/28/2014 10:07 AM, authfri...@yahoo.com wrote: For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think it would take a bit of effort /not/ to go back to the mantra.) > Barry's analysis also assumes that at some point in your meditation you've stopped thinking t

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/28/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former > think of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness: > Let's see, how many times have we discussed this topic? If you count the discussions on Google Groups, it would probably be

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread TurquoiseBee
ife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?   Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness: The first of these "lies" or deceptions about

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/28/2014 9:47 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote: For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its adherents would answer the question: "Does it take effort -- when you become aware that you have a choice about what to think about -- to decide to think about something else and

[FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Michael Jackson
Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of this treatise on TM and its effortlessness: The first of these "lies" or deceptions about Transcendental Meditation (TM) that I'd like to talk about is the idea of effortlessness. It is often claimed that TM is "effor

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
On 3/28/2014 8:20 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: > The first of these "lies" or deceptions about Transcendental > Meditation (TM) that I'd like to talk about is the idea of > effortlessness. It is often claimed that TM is "effortless" and that > this somehow makes it superior to other forms of medit

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread authfriend
I should add that for me, realizing I'm not thinking the mantra and going back to it are virtually simultaneous. The realization instantly evokes the mantra--as if, in some sense, the realization were the mantra. For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread awoelflebater
g to sit down for 20 minutes and meditate takes effort. From: Michael Jackson To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:20 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice? Would like to know that all the TM teachers, both current and former think of

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread Share Long
Yep, for me it's like the realization is the kite and the tail of the kite is the mantra... On Friday, March 28, 2014 10:18 AM, "authfri...@yahoo.com" wrote:   I should add that for me, realizing I'm not thinking the mantra and going back to it are virtually simultaneous. The realizatio

Re: [FairfieldLife] IS TM and Effortless Practice?

2014-03-28 Thread authfriend
For me, the answer to Barry's question would be a definite No. (In fact, I think it would take a bit of effort not to go back to the mantra.) For me, the whole issue of whether TM is effortless comes down to how its adherents would answer the question: "Does it take effort -- when you becom