Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Peter
Well, for starters, ..."Joseph was a very high ranking dude (sic.) in the Roman Empire, second only to Ceasar." Outside of the akashic records, what, pray tell, is your source for this rather fascinating nugget of Bibical history that archeologists and essentially all Bibical scholars have complete

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Sorry, that's now www.teach12.com. Jonathan Chadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Jesus was a 1st Century Jewish apocalyptic prophet. He taught the immanent coming of the Kingdom of God. And he himself almost certainly pointed to the "Son of Man" as someone other than himself. In fact

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread coshlnx
---Wrong Robert...there is a contradiction in terms of what's considered the foremost goal of life; of course not with your New Age Christianity which is your own private invention; but the Christianity adhered to by 1/3-rd of the earth's population; i.e. the orthodox version. Again, there's

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hyperbolicgeometry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --The bottom like is what is the "meaning" of redemption, of the > purported substitionary death? I haven't seen any difference in the > karma of fundie Christians and others. They seem to pay karmically

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) > > Extraordinary human Being, Supernatural Human Being? Divine > origins, no > > difference. Does the Hebrew scripture specifically state the > Messiah would NOT > > have divine origins, or is just not indicated? Would a man who is > less than > > extraordinary be able to fulfil t

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/4/07 11:50:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > My point is that the Hebrew Scripture prophecies refer > to an extraordinary human being who is obviously favored > by God but d

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Your implication being, son? On 9/4/07, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > M. Crack is fun, isn't it? > > --- "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! > -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Despite the fact that Jesus wasn't killed, didn't >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Peter
M. Crack is fun, isn't it? --- "Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Despite the fact that Jesus wasn't killed, didn't > die on the cross, Joseph > was also a very high ranking dude in the Roman > Empire, seco

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Jonathan Chadwick
Jesus was a 1st Century Jewish apocalyptic prophet. He taught the immanent coming of the Kingdom of God. And he himself almost certainly pointed to the "Son of Man" as someone other than himself. In fact, almost all the stuff about Jesus saving the sins of the world etc. was added by Paul lat

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
> > Despite the fact that Jesus wasn't killed, didn't die on the cross, Joseph > was also a very high ranking dude in the Roman Empire, second only to Caesar > himself -- Joseph was the property manager for the whole empire. Joseph was a carpenter, at the time, and a Jew. Jewish people had no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
Despite the fact that Jesus wasn't killed, didn't die on the cross, Joseph was also a very high ranking dude in the Roman Empire, second only to Caesar himself -- Joseph was the property manager for the whole empire.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) > > My servant grew up in the Lord's presence like a tender green > > shoot, sprouting from a dry root in dry and sterile ground. I > > believe is referring to the virgin birth. > > Maybe (although it could be a reference to a previously > barren woman suddenly being able to conceive

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread Robert Gimbel
(snip) > > My point is that the Hebrew Scripture prophecies refer > to an extraordinary human being who is obviously favored > by God but do not indicate that he is to be of uniquely > divine origin or status. That was an invention of > Christianity that isn't found in the Hebrew Scriptures,

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 9/4/07 11:50:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Son of Man, yes, a common expression referring to human > beings. But none to being the only-begotten Son of God. > > Referring to G

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread hyperbolicgeometry
--The bottom like is what is the "meaning" of redemption, of the purported substitionary death? I haven't seen any difference in the karma of fundie Christians and others. They seem to pay karmically just as others; if so, then the payoff could be after death? This is speculative. Personally,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/4/07 11:50:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi > > > In a message dated 9/4/07 10:19:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread matrixmonitor
-An alternative to a. simply an extraordinary human and b. a unique, Divine entity (God or God-like...as in "true God and true Man" - the Nicean Creed and the Athanasian Creed, defining dogmas of Cathlocity.). ...would be an entity intermediate between "God" (a Monotheistic Personal Deity) and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/4/07 11:50:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My point is that the Hebrew Scripture prophecies refer to an extraordinary human being who is obviously favored by God but do not indicate that he is to be of uniquely divine origin or status. That was

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread qntmpkt
---Precisely, well done authfriend! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 9/4/07 10:19:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > > MDixon6569@ writes: > > > > > > In [EMAI

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/4/07 10:19:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , > MDixon6569@, M > > [quoting Isaiah] > And because of wha

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/4/07 10:19:12 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], M [quoting Isaiah] And because of what > he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for > many

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/4/07 9:43:00 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com) , [EMAIL PROTECTED], MDi [quoting Isaiah] And because of what > he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for > many

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [quoting Isaiah] And because of what > he has experienced, my righteous servant will make it possible for > many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins. I > will give him the honors of one who is mighty and great

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-04 Thread MDixon6569
In a message dated 9/3/07 10:58:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > The problem here is that Judaism doesn't teach reincarnation. "It is > appointed for man to die once then be judged". The corruption of the church you > mention, paying for penance, came long aft

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Jesus Did Not Die For Our Sins.'

2007-09-03 Thread Robert Gimbel
> The problem here is that Judaism doesn't teach reincarnation. "It is > appointed for man to die once then be judged". The corruption of the church you > mention, paying for penance, came long after the death of Christ. However tithing > is an Old Testament tradition, not to gain salvat