Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D >>> Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of >>> conspiracy theories. :-) >>> >>> Tra

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just > > > witnessing it. :D > > > > Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of > > conspiracy theories. :-) > > > > Traveling to get one's head into a

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Angela Mailander wrote: > You think there are no Blackwater thugs and no > American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian > population? That's pretty amazing. > That's correct - there's no Blackwater "thugs" and "no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population". Terrorists are th

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Bhairitu wrote: > My joke which Angela was referring to was about > the fact that possible wars are breaking out. > One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and > Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their > chops. > You're a supporter of Chavez, right? "So far, that's what's happen

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Angela Mailander
This is one of the things I have reservations about when I take a look at Spiral Dynamics. Europe and the US are supposedly the most evolved nations on earth, but then, how come you can feel the fatigue and the heavy depression in the air the minute you hit a Stateside airport? In China you get h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Bhairitu
And when I visited India I dreaded return to the US because people in India were so pleasant and kind and of course as soon as I set down in the US there was a hitch on getting the plane up and running for the rest of the trip and we ran two hours late and of course there was all this uptightne

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: >> Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just >> witnessing it. :D >> > > Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of > conspiracy theories. :-) > > Traveling to get one's head into a different > psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in > the sa

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Angela Mailander
You think there are no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population? That's pretty amazing. As for choosing a side and fighting, I don't choose sides. If I were compelled to fight, I would probably do it or choose death. But I don't choose sides. I do not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Angela Mailander
I know exactly what you mean by a "different psychic space." This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the "national psyche." I believe that Isaiah

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
> Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just > witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what yo

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Bhairitu
TurquoiseB wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real >> good out there, is it? >> > > Speak for yourself, honey. > > What things "look like" depends a great deal > on where you l

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Angela Mailander
Just as there was rhetorical fear, rather than the real thing, in Dove's writing, there is rhetorical anxiety in my observations about the state of the world, not any real emotional angst. I am of good cheer because in this moment all things are totally excellent, but that doesn't mean I'm blind.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Kirk
one of the flat dessert. Stretching away into the distance. Uncertainty is what's for dinner. Original Message - From: "TurquoiseB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
Angela Mailander wrote: > Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no > real indication that we actually want to win this > one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as > possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've > already won. > So, you think we are in a war? > We've got the bases

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You > > want to win the war we're in at the moment. > > It's the enemy that is terrorizing the civilian population, that's why we are fighting the terrorists. It's not really difficult to accept, Angela. You have to decide what side you are o

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread Richard J. Williams
> > Can you post any evidence that U.S. soldiers > > tortured and raped any babies in the Vietnam > > conflict? > > Angela Mailander wrote: > I won't convince you of the facts of life and war > regardless of what evidence I bring to bear on the > subject, but I am certain of my facts here. > Only

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-06 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real > good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things "look like" depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at y

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Bhairitu
Ever have a feeling that you are in a bad science fiction movie and the first act is about to end? Angela Mailander wrote: > Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real > good out there, is it? I've heard people make a good > argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an > eco

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Angela Mailander
Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their w

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Bhairitu
pavvlovs_dog wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real >> indication that we actually want to win this >> one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as >> possible. And anyway, by some

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread pavvlovs_dog
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real > indication that we actually want to win this > one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as > possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've > already won

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Angela Mailander
Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. We've got the bases and we've got the oil. a --- Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Bhairitu
Angela Mailander wrote: > Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You > want to win the war we're in at the moment. Do you > think there is a remote chance that this can be done > without terrorizing the civilian population? > And Willy never defines what "winning the war" is? Or h

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Angela Mailander
I won't convince you of the facts of life and war regardless of what evidence I bring to bear on the subject, but I am certain of my facts here. How will you train men to kill without making them brutal? You can easily make ordinary people torture other people in laboratory settings. This has

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Angela Mailander wrote: > Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of > torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every > single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most > soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin. > This would have been brought up in the Winter Soldie

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Kirk
And they kill innocent puppies. http://dragonflyexperiment.wordpress.com/2008/03/05/news-coverage-of-puppy-toss/ - Original Message - From: "Angela Mailander" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/S

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Angela Mailander
Habeas Corpus is pretty much gone. Posse Comitatus is seriously compromised. Illegal spying and surveillance are rampant. As for me, personally, I have lost the right to travel outside the country as a direct result of changes to the pertinent laws since 9/11. Any American at an American air

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Angela Mailander wrote: > I am not suggesting anything about Kerry. > But, didn't you post a message about the 'Winter Soldier' testimony to prove your contention that U.S. forces had tortured and raped babies? And wasn't John F. Kerry one of the main organizers of the Winter Soldier testimony? >

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Angela Mailander
I am not suggesting anything about Kerry. About Hill, I'm only suggesting what is possible in our current political climate. Look at what has happened since 9/11. Do you think they'll let all those "gains" go and let us restore the bill of rights and call the troops home? Anything is possible--

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity & Wisdom'

2008-03-05 Thread Richard J. Williams
Angela Mailander wrote: > Worst case scenario: Hill is hinting about sharing > the ticket--that's a foregone conclusion to my mind. > If she becomes vice, becoming prez is only a bullet > away. And then she declares martial law. > So, Angela, you're suggesting that, not only was John F. Kerr