Hey Curtis,
Thank you also for the extended rap.
Maybe I was pushing myself a little and misinterpreted something you said, or
got lazy.
I don't mean to imply that you would advocate violence to advance your means.
Of course not. Sorry about that.
And yes, easy for me to be patien
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C3: My point exactly. Religious institutions oppose change for gay rights,
something you thought was a cheap shot at religion.
S3: Jeez, Curtis, what am I missing. You stated that the majority o
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
C3: My point exactly. Religious institutions oppose change for gay rights,
something you thought was a cheap shot at religion.
S3: Jeez, Curtis, what am I missing. You stated that the majority of believers
in God oppose gay rights. I said th
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C2: I am not sure what subset you are referring to here. There aren't any gay
marriages taking place in mosques either. Hindu temples? Nope.
S2: My comment, Curtis was in reference to the notio
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
C2: I am not sure what subset you are referring to here. There aren't any gay
marriages taking place in mosques either. Hindu temples? Nope.
S2: My comment, Curtis was in reference to the notion that the majority of
believers in God oppose gay
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C: Fair enough. Let's tighten it up a bit. Although polls have reflected
American's recent shift away from denying a small group civil rights, your
point supports mine. 35 out of 50 states in t
Yep, such wisdom to find in the Bible. All those children murdered.
These quotes demonstrate why yhvh was forced to incarnate as the
man "Jesus" to consequently be tortured and killed.
Yep - karma rules all.
In the Bible, words having to do with killing significantly outnumber w
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
C: Fair enough. Let's tighten it up a bit. Although polls have reflected
American's recent shift away from denying a small group civil rights, your
point supports mine. 35 out of 50 states in the US now allow some form of same
sex marriage, but
Thanks, looks interesting.
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Re: "I re-read the whole Bible every few years. I think it is important to
refresh my awareness of what is actually in those books."
This was re-broadcast on PBS recently. I caught the last part. It's quite
well d
Re: "I re-read the whole Bible every few years. I think it is important to
refresh my awareness of what is actually in those books."
This was re-broadcast on PBS recently. I caught the last part. It's quite
well done if you haven't seen it. No, it isn't a cartoon version. "From Jesus
to
We seem to have many points of agreement concerning less sophisticated forms
of religious beliefs. I think our major difference would be in how we value the
concept of faith in traditions. I consider faith to be a serious impediment to
the development of human thought in and out of the science
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C: My point concerns his statement that atheist objections are superficial.
They are not. If you have rejected that any book comes from a God rather than a
man, good for you. Atheists are not conce
Curtis,
Your questions are thoughtful and excellent. IMO, humans are endowed with a
certain quality that can understand intrinsically the deeper meaning of both
the physical and the spiritual. The tradition of MMY would call it
consciousness, or the Self. The Jewish tradition would describ
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C: My point concerns his statement that atheist objections are superficial.
They are not. If you have rejected that any book comes from a God rather than a
man, good for you. Atheists are not concerned with a relatively small group of
people lik
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Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims:
Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source
than others so that they are considered "scripture?" I get it that you may not
feel this way about any book, but mo
Here are a few atheist objections to theist claims:
Why do you consider one book of human literature to be different in its source
than others so that they are considered "scripture?" I get it that you may not
feel this way about any book, but most theists do.
So you get it that we may not f
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Dr. David Bentley Hart criticizes the new atheist movement. He calls their
arguments to be shrill, shallow, glib and stupid.
C: Notice that none of those qualities actually address the content of the
atheist objections to the claims of theists. I
I think Stu and I were talking at cross-purposes; we're in basic agreement.
- Original Message
From: Duveyoung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 9:51:59 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Athei
I think that Stu's post below is all the more extraordinary in that
he, a successful tippy-toppy writer, does not suggest to us that we
see his writing ability as a tool to reveal knowledge. He's okay that
an "apple" is green, red, yellow depending on the mind of the viewer,
and he seems to write
I feel like rappin' over coffee this morning,
and there is really no "meat" for doing so in
last night's posts, so I'm going to go back to
the last post that does contain such substance:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What I am getting at here is, what i
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> No doubt the ancients had brief glimpses into transcendental
> reality. At the same time they held savage customs, such as
> slavery, human and animal sacrifice, and lack of respect for
> neighboring tribes. Raping and pi
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
> I could be wrong, but I think you might have misunderstood
> me. Itâs true what you say about TM
> providing a way out of the conceptual world of language. (Itâs
also true that enough folks do in fact
>
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" buttsplicer@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Forgive the doggerel, but our conceptions of reality are no
> >
Message
From: Stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2007 12:33:26 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Delusion
--- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Angela Mailander
wrote:
s.
>
> Forgive
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The USA was not necessarily born out of peace and abundance,
> although it became that way because of the people who built it.
> We must remember that the Pilgrims who came here were persecuted
> by the people from thei
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> > In short, teachers of the past used simple and concrete terms to
> > explain complicated thoughts to explain nature and existence,
which
> > many intellectuals today are still grappling with. As such, the
> > teachers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Stu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
> wrote:
> >
> > Forgive the doggerel, but our conceptions of reality are no
> > better than other people's conceptions of reality. They're
> > conceptions, that'
> In short, teachers of the past used simple and concrete terms to
> explain complicated thoughts to explain nature and existence, which
> many intellectuals today are still grappling with. As such, the
> teachers used human terms to explain the phenomenonal world, such as
> Father and Mother Nat
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
s.
>
> Forgive the doggerel, but our conceptions of reality are no better
than other people's conceptions of reality. They're conceptions, that's
all. None of us confuse a picture of a tiger with a tiger, yet when
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "matrixmonitor"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --An alternative to the Hebrews' course of action: seeking out a
> Father figure to gain comfort (and possibly - whatever the Ark of
the
> Convenant was - some tangible benefits!); would be the course taken
>
Stu wrote (clipped):
"Its fortunate for us TMers that we are not so split. Understanding
the external to be a mere reflection of the internal. It makes all
this talk about "creation", "meaning" and "hope" a bunch of dramatic
hogwash. These guys are hypnotized by their own self delusion."
We'
--An alternative to the Hebrews' course of action: seeking out a
Father figure to gain comfort (and possibly - whatever the Ark of the
Convenant was - some tangible benefits!); would be the course taken
in other parts of the world: various forms of polytheistic paganism,
involving propitiation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno"
wrote:
> >
> > ---thanks, I agree. I have an Einstein quote from a Buddhist
> > magazine, "Tricycle", but can't find the original source:
> >
> > Einstein says "Bu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Marek Reavis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Excellent video, Off, thanks. For the first minute or two I assumed
the speaker was
> you (perhaps) but he mentioned being in the UK so I guess not.>>
Seems older than me, more eloquent, and no Scottish accent.
Excellent video, Off, thanks. For the first minute or two I assumed the
speaker was
you (perhaps) but he mentioned being in the UK so I guess not.
**
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wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno"
wrote:
> >
> > ---thanks, I agree. I have an Einstein quote from a Buddhist
> > magazine, "Tricycle", but can't find the original source:
> >
> > Einstein says "Bu
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tertonzeno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ---thanks, I agree. I have an Einstein quote from a Buddhist
> magazine, "Tricycle", but can't find the original source:
>
> Einstein says "Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be
> expected in a cosmic
---thanks, I agree. I have an Einstein quote from a Buddhist
magazine, "Tricycle", but can't find the original source:
Einstein says "Buddhism has the characteristics of what would be
expected in a cosmic religion for the future: It transcends a
personal God, avoids dogmas and theology; it cov
> I think I'm a believer in the Einsteinian sense,
> very impersonal, not devotional at all. But I
> disagree with Haught that you can't "surrender" to
> it unless it's personal. I think that's because
> he makes a distinction between "It" and "thou,"
> and I don't (and I bet Einstein didn't eithe
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > I have to agree.
>
> (Of course Barry has to agree, just as he had to
> agree with Curtis that the guitar video wasn't
> any good, because it was I who
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend"
wrote:
> > >
> > > Another meaty interview in Salon with a theologian
> > > on the relationship o
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "hugheshugo"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote:
> >
> > Another meaty interview in Salon with a theologian
> > on the relationship of science and religion.
> >
> > John Haught is a Roman Catholic theologia
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Another meaty interview in Salon with a theologian
> on the relationship of science and religion.
>
> John Haught is a Roman Catholic theologian and a
> student of evolutionary biology who has proposed
> a "theology
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Judy, that was a nice article. It covers a lot of complicated
ideas
> in a short interview. We can study all of these great ideas from
> atheists, theologians and scientists, which could last a life
time.
> But in t
Judy, that was a nice article. It covers a lot of complicated ideas
in a short interview. We can study all of these great ideas from
atheists, theologians and scientists, which could last a life time.
But in the end it comes down to: do you believe or not? As humans,
we can be satisfied of
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