Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test on 12/26/05 10:44 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does the CIA get involved if an international organization is handling money illegally? If so, that might explain their interest. Perhaps a Freedom of Information Act application

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The notion that the TMO was spied upon and infiltrated by

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 11:28 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there must have been something to hang his delusional hat on. I hope it wasn't pure paranoid fantasy! You know, back in the early '70s, all us leftist young folks were constantly suspecting the CIA of tapping our phones,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not *about* the CIA. It's about eltitists' innate

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right after I got back from TTC in '74, a few initiators at my center started getting involved with -- for lack of a better word -- a faith-healer in Nebraska whom

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 11:28 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there must have been something to hang his delusional hat on. I hope it wasn't pure paranoid fantasy! You know, back in the early '70s,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 12:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr friend from Canada (MIU graduate) was in Guyana at the time of Jonestown (he was teaching TM) and, ironically, the government there thought he and the other TM teachers were CIA! Shortly AFTER Jonestown, Maharishi sent David

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 12:52 PM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have no problem with you or anyone else believing that. Me, I don't

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right after I got back from TTC in '74, a few initiators at my center started

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 8:49 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, MMY is a great saint who has brought a great teaching to the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 11:28 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there must have been something to hang his delusional hat on.

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I have no problem with you or anyone else believing

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...on a totally different topic: Note your grammar above. You wrote: Me, I don't personally I've seen you do that before, Tantra, and I suspect that this has crept into your lexicon from living in France! Do

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 1:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not generally. Are you talking about the attempts to avoid paying taxes. Par for the course in some parts of the world. The CIA wouldn't bother with that kind of thing since literally EVERYONE does it. Smuggling of cash across

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 2:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH,it seems implausible that Bush could have missed 9/11 even though Israeli students (intelligence officers?) knew about it far enough in advance to be filming it as it happened. They did? Have you seen those films? Are they online,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 1:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not generally. Are you talking about the attempts to avoid paying taxes. Par for the course in some parts of the world. The CIA wouldn't bother with that

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 2:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH,it seems implausible that Bush could have missed 9/11 even though Israeli students (intelligence officers?) knew about it far enough in advance to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, MMY is a great saint who has brought a great teaching to the world. But I suppose even a great saint can be delusional and

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 6:55 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an evangelical Christian: http://www.alternet.org/story/18378/ ) was

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Yes, MMY is a great saint who has brought a great

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 2:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 1:54 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not generally.

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 2:22 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH,it seems implausible that Bush could have missed 9/11 even though Israeli students (intelligence officers?) knew about it far enough in advance to be

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 26, 2005, at 3:55 PM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/26/05 2:49 PM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 1:54 PM, sparaig at

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 7:35 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an evangelical Christian: http://www.alternet.org/story/18378/ ) was clearly an enemy of the TMO, so it's not much of a stretch to understand that he probably ordered the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 8:52 PM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Par for the course during that time. Why do you think it was so easy to pay off the Spanish officials? It was the common thing to do. Probably still is. Even worse in India. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is? * Well, I just read Burn before reading by Carter's CIA chief, Admiral Stansfield Turner, and it sez right there on page 213 that one of

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread anonyff
Whatever happened to Wm and Margaret Gibson's son whose name escapes me at the moment. We were together on our six month course during which time I had a great interaction with Maharishi in which Maharishi kept trying to give me the easy answer to a question, which I knew he was going to do, and I

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 6:55 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/26/05 10:01 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is? * Well, I just read Burn before reading by Carter's CIA chief, Admiral

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 7:35 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was himself an evangelical Christian: http://www.alternet.org/story/18378/ ) was clearly an enemy of

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 10:01 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is?

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 12:30 PM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr friend from Canada (MIU graduate) was in Guyana at the time of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Peter
He was on my TTC (La Antilla'72 - Seelisberg' 73). I think it is William too. --- anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whatever happened to Wm and Margaret Gibson's son whose name escapes me at the moment. We were together on our six month course during which time I had a great interaction with

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 6:55 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *** Prez Carter (he of the faith-healing sister who was

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread Peter
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 6:55 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ***

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is? Haven't you been paying attention? The evidence is that these TBs feel more important if the CIA was persecuting the cult they were involved with, and

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And we all know the story of Leon Weiner actually getting busted trying to carry cash from Mallorca to Switzerland. And Billy and Shannon paying off the Spanish officials to get him out. Par for the course

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is? Haven't you been paying attention? The evidence is that these TBs

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/26/05 10:01 PM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is?

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-26 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...and the evidence that the CIA did indeed infiltrate the TMO is? Haven't you been paying attention? The evidence is that these TBs

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 8:12 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-25 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-25 Thread lurkernomore20002000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, MMY is a great saint who has brought a great teaching to the world. But I suppose even a great saint can be delusional and irrationally paranoid ... snip Well, it may have taken 4 yrs. and

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Premanand Paul Mason
But it is very reassuring to be told that resting for some minutes twice a day helps prevent most illnesses, war and natural disasters AND it makes it easier to gloss over bad news in the belief that one is already doing one's bit for the world. Surely there must be some truth in this dictum,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:45 AM, authfriend wrote:--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED]  wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 10:06 PM, a_non_moose_ff wrote:  Though, to be honest, I am not sure why neither of you thinks  its wise  to be (or even pretend to be) the better

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:49 AM, authfriend wrote:Yes, Vaj has a great deal of trouble figuring out what I believe from my posts, just as Sal does. That's because they both *expect* me to believe certain things and find it extraordinarily confusing and disturbing when my posts don't confirm their

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Peter
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never has been -- that the TMO or

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 24, 2005, at 9:12 AM, Peter wrote:MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say anything. It was the beginning of MMY

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 24, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Vaj wrote: Wasn't the rumor started on the Beatle's Rishikesh course? There was someone on that course who was rumored to be a CIA agent--sorry forget his name. But the CIA did keep a file John Lennon, which I believe is now largely public. Really what

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Peter
--- feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're evading the point and also attributing to me an argument I never put forward. Shame on you, feste37! You've been on here long enough to know that responding to one's own inferences and claiming it as a statement by another poster is par for the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Peter
--- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:45 AM, authfriend wrote: snip I gather you find it simply insufferable that MMY would act according to his beliefs. Wake up Judy. The TM$P was a money making scheme. What better extension of

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 23, 2005, at 6:01 PM, feste37 wrote:You're evading the point and also attributing to me an argument I never put  forward. No, merely pointing out the absurdity of M's "generosity".It's an open question as far as I'm concerned whether he has helped the lives of the others close to him more

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread lupidus108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. Really ? What about the armed

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test ?the true disciple test?

2005-12-24 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://energygrid.com/spirit/ap-falsegurutest.html Depending upon your perspective, whether you spent time with Mahesh, whether or not you had money and he thought he could get his hands on it or whether you

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/24/05 8:12 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say anything. It was the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 12:45 AM, authfriend wrote: snip I gather you find it simply insufferable that MMY would act according to his beliefs.

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip MMY started talking about the CIA in the mid-70's to international staff. I had a good friend on staff then and she told me that everyone was a bit baffled by the whole thing and would politely listen and not say

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I can't help getting a bitter taste in my mouth whenever an individual or organisation is

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If he *did* really believe the stuff he says, he has had innumerable opportunities in the past few years to put those beliefs to the test. He has allowed every such opportunity to pass, in my opinion because he

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snippage here] This is NOT an invitation to argue. I'm just stepping in to state an alternative point of view; if you feel the need to argue with someone, it'll have to be some- one else. Now, that caveat out of the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Odd that you don't seem to find the nature of Sal's remarks to me confusing. About 10% confusing. But for the most part,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip On Dec 23, 2005, at 8:48 PM, Vaj wrote: No,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But it is very reassuring to be told that resting for some minutes twice a day helps prevent most illnesses, war and natural disasters AND it makes it easier to gloss over bad news in the belief that one

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that what they call a backwards compliment? Or is it the famous passive-aggressivness Dr. Peter finds everywhere. Not

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Rick Archer
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word generosity or compassion in regards to M. I feel

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but a mixture of views on MMY and the TMO, some positive and some negative, in the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 1:49 PM, authfriend wrote: I wonder how much was given to the Tsunami victims or the victims of 9/11 by him? No, you don't wonder at all. There are many charitable organizations and

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is not the case--but I honestly don't think you'll convince many people at all that if you give money to Mahesh or practice his McMeditation you're going to stop tsunamis. On Dec 23, 2005, at 3:19 PM, feste37

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply reporting what some else has said even though you state that it seems as good an explanation as any (Which begs the question, what other

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/23/05 6:21 PM, matrixmonitor at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Yeah but the Fundie's have won the battle (not the long term war). Since Carter's Presidency, the Fundies have more or less Shangheid the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, Judy, so you don't believe what you stated below, you're simply reporting what some else has said even though you state that it seems

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Rick Archer
on 12/24/05 11:55 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless he could convince them he was Christ, they'd probably kill him. And to convince them of that, he would have to massacre the non- Christians, because that's what they're expecting the Big Guy to do. Funny how the Prince of

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lets see, thats sarcasm, combined with direct

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, far better to give at the level of the root,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread off_world_beings
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/24/05 11:55 AM, sparaig at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unless he could convince them he was Christ, they'd probably kill him. And to convince them of that, he would have to massacre the non- Christians,

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Maharishi was a target of the CIA This is utter, unproven crap. There is ZERO evidence -- and never

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Yeah but the Fundie's have won the battle (not the long term war). Since Carter's Presidency, the Fundies have more or less

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither a TB nor a TNB but somewhere in between. TBs can just be dismissed, but

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Not according to one of his closest former disciples, Earl Kaplan. Earl Jaokab was one of his closest disciples? ANd where did he say that MMY

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a function of the True Non-Believers' difficulty dealing with anybody who is neither

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote:on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside the TMO mentioning the word "generosity" or "compassion" in regards to M.I feel that

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in one article in recent years--just one (or more if they exist)--of one person outside

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, a_non_moose_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Boy, it's weird how you manage to spot my sarcasm and

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread Vaj
On Dec 24, 2005, at 3:00 PM, gerbal88 wrote:As you might recall, immediately after 9/11, Mahesh took out ads in 3  major newspapers basically threatening more of the same unless the US  government gave him a billion $ to save us all. I have the PDF in  case anyone really needs proof that he's

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my perspective, a lot of the rancor appears to be a

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 24, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Rick Archer wrote: on 12/24/05 9:47 AM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would be interested in one article

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread gerbal88
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snippage here] So, I think we can genuinely say that Mahesh has many accomplishments: nobody in the 20th Century singlehandedly ripped off more people, got more people to believe empty promises or built an empire on

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread uvulonicus
Your powers of analysis would be better spent focussed on your throbbing hard-on for Judy and the projections you make on her in your knee-jerk reactions to her posts. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread bbrigante
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somebody - some remarkable Guru - must appear on the

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-24 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-23 Thread Vaj
On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:01 AM, bbrigante wrote:his generous service to the world.  What service might that be? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS

[FairfieldLife] Re: the false guru test

2005-12-23 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 23, 2005, at 12:01 AM, bbrigante wrote: his generous service to the world. What service might that be? Bob has a tendency to redefine words and concepts to match his preconceptions. So 'service' in this case may be

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