Re: Double checking grub-install -- [SOLVED]

2008-08-03 Thread William Case
For those who helped. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:58 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Tim and others who may have been watching this thread. [snip] So the answer must be grub is switching video modes. I wonder if I should report this as a Fedora bug against grub ? I bought a new Samsung LCD

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-03 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:35 -0400, William Case wrote: Perhaps I am being just a bit stubborn, but I wanted to learn how to diagnose the problem first, not just write something over top of it. Understanding what's going on is fine, and good. I don't discount the importance of it. The solution

Re: Double checking grub-install -- LAST POST

2008-07-03 Thread William Case
Hi Tim and others who may have been watching this thread. On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 20:22 +0930, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 00:35 -0400, William Case wrote: Perhaps I am being just a bit stubborn, but I wanted to learn how to diagnose the problem first, not just write something over top of

Re: Double checking grub-install -- LAST POST

2008-07-03 Thread Tim
William Case stands high up on the bridge, puts his trumpet to his lips, and plays the last post taaah taah thhh: So the answer must be grub is switching video modes. I wonder if I should report this as a Fedora bug against grub ? Well, if it is switching video modes, it

Re: Double checking grub-install -- LAST POSSSSSSS

2008-07-03 Thread William Case
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 11:31 +0930, Tim wrote: William Case stands high up on the bridge, puts his trumpet to his lips, and plays the last post taaah taah thhh: So the answer must be grub is switching video modes. I wonder if I should report this as a Fedora bug against

Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus. To recap: I am getting a double Fedora grub splashimage at boot. I have a dual boot system with WindowsXP

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:43:04 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus. To recap: I am getting a double Fedora grub

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
William Case wrote: Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus. To recap: I am getting a double Fedora grub splashimage at boot. I have a dual boot

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
Hi Mikkel; On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:54 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have more of a focus

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 17:32 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:43:04 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; I have started this thread again as a new thread. The previous Double checking grub-install ?? lead off in all kinds of plausible directions. I think I now have

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:50:31 -0400, William Case wrote: I checked and low and behold I found GRUB listed in the first block (mbr ??) of both disks. So I thought I should chase that down before I filed an inappropriate bug report. Then what happens if you overwrite sda's mbr with NTLDR? To

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:10:29 -0400, William Case wrote: Can you hit keys to enter the first GRUB menu and stop it from booting any entry automatically? No. The image is incomplete in the first instance and disappers too quickly. Can you influence it by editing /boot/grub/grub.conf and -

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:50:31 -0400, William Case wrote: I checked and low and behold I found GRUB listed in the first block (mbr ??) of both disks. So I thought I should chase that down before I filed an inappropriate bug report.

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:56:20 -0400, William Case wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:35 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 12:50:31 -0400, William Case wrote: I checked and low and behold I found GRUB listed in the first block (mbr ??) of both disks. So I thought I should

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
William Case wrote: Hi Mikkel; If I remember correctly from the first thread, you would get a brief flash on the screen with Fedora at the top of the screen, a short pause, and then the proper splash screen with Fedora on the bottom. This is a good indication that ether the video card or the

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 13:15 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Mikkel; Yes. And that was where I was going to leave it. There was a suggestion on the list that I should file a bug against grub. I was about to do that this morning and thought that I should

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
Hi Michael; On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 19:54 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 13:10:29 -0400, William Case wrote: Can you hit keys to enter the first GRUB menu and stop it from booting any entry automatically? No. The image is incomplete in the first instance and

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:33:10 -0400, William Case wrote: the video mode problem seems to be with grub2 -- not grub-0.97-33.fc9.x86_64 ?? Can't comment on grub2 yet as I've seen it only once or twice, I think, and it's a different code base. Your recent description of the symptoms sounds like

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 21:13 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:33:10 -0400, William Case wrote: the video mode problem seems to be with grub2 -- not grub-0.97-33.fc9.x86_64 ?? Can't comment on grub2 yet as I've seen it only once or twice, I think, and it's a different

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
Hi; On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:33 -0400, William Case wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 13:15 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Mikkel; [snip] Just to see what happens how would I go about safely removing the stage1 of Grub from /dev/sdb ?? -- Regards Bill; Fedora 9,

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:43 -0400, William Case wrote: If it is, how do I remove it (from sdb -- I presume)? Extra stuff shouldn't matter, if you configure the first thing to take over. i.e. I can have ten discs in a box, GRUB on all of them. But if the first thing the BIOS does is read GRUB

Re: Double checking grub-install -- revisited ??

2008-07-02 Thread William Case
Hi Tim; On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 13:28 +0930, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 10:43 -0400, William Case wrote: If it is, how do I remove it (from sdb -- I presume)? Extra stuff shouldn't matter, if you configure the first thing to take over. i.e. I can have ten discs in a box, GRUB on all

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-29 Thread g
D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the first block on the hard drive. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mbr is worth a read. interesting reading. if you can fully believe something written by users of oos. i do not fully agree with calling calling sector 0 of track an lba

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-29 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 07:12 +, g wrote: interesting reading. if you can fully believe something written by users of oos. OOS? I can't find a definition for that term that seems to fit. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.6-55.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-29 Thread g
Tim wrote: OOS? I can't find a definition for that term that seems to fit. lol. please, lower case only. 'other operating system'. aka, msbsos. you should be able to figure it out now. i do not like or use it. oos helps me not think of it. :o) -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-29 Thread William Case
Thank you D. Hugh Redelmeier; On Sun, 2008-06-29 at 01:25 -0400, D. Hugh Redelmeier wrote: | From: William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1) stage1 is one line that is installed on the mbr within the 64 bytes | or 512 bits that is reserved on the disk for booting purposes. Boot records are 512

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-28 Thread D. Hugh Redelmeier
| From: William Case [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 1) stage1 is one line that is installed on the mbr within the 64 bytes | or 512 bits that is reserved on the disk for booting purposes. Boot records are 512 bytes. The code must fit into about 440 bytes of this. The Master Boot Record (MBR) is the

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-26 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:15 -0400, William Case wrote: I have to run fixmbr on my WindowsXP harddisk (sda). I assume this use of fixmbr will blow away my grub. It will change the master boot record to suit Windows. If you'd previously put GRUB on there, you'd lose it. I'm not sure that I

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-26 Thread William Case
Thanks for replying Tim; On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 16:05 +0930, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:15 -0400, William Case wrote: I have to run fixmbr on my WindowsXP harddisk (sda). I assume this use of fixmbr will blow away my grub. It will change the master boot record to suit Windows.

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-26 Thread g
William Case wrote: I was trying to avoid wasting peoples time with a long description. it can clear things up sometimes as they are becoming not. [excuse order of comments. trying to reply as you have things written] When I first boot I get the Fedora grub splash screen/menu twice -- as

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-26 Thread stan
William Case wrote: Hi Tim; On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 07:35 +0930, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 10:28 -0400, William Case wrote: When I first boot I get the Fedora grub splash screen/menu twice -- besides that everything else boots normally. This describes the behavior that

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-26 Thread William Case
Hi Stan; Lets step back a little bit. On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 18:52 -0700, stan wrote: William Case wrote: Hi Tim; On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 07:35 +0930, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2008-06-26 at 10:28 -0400, William Case wrote: When I first boot I get the Fedora grub splash

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-25 Thread William Case
Hi g; On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 18:42 +, g wrote: William Case wrote: I am looking for confirmation that this is a correct strategy and the proper use of the grub-install command. i have not used oos for several years and when i have had to reinstall grub, i have been using a mandriva

Re: Double checking grub-install ??

2008-06-25 Thread g
William Case wrote: snip My Fedora version is listed with my signature. so it is. did not notice before. guess i will have to start noting sigs before i question versions. :o) During a bugzilla discourse, a program or facility called 'firstaid' was can not answer about that. next release