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On 01-05, Marcia Baronda wrote: > That infuriates me. Such a waste of life! Sometimes I think the > wildlife should be armed! I agree with you on that one. I detest hunters! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.or

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om my AT&T Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: "Bonnie Hogue" Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:41 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters To: You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the

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cre farm hunters would park on our road and > walk back into the woods. We could hear them, but never find them, > so because they were parked where I could get to their cars I began > letting the air out of their tires! > > > Lorrie > > ___

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@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters How horrible. On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote: It’s legal for some, like the hired guns, sharpshooters; they bait the area for week

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Good for you! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters

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I think it gives them a sick sense of power. Karma karma karma! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Lorrie wrote: > On 09-15, Natalie wrote: >> There's something wrong, seriously wrong with people who can't wait to >>

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...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters > > > > How horrible. > > On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote: > > > > > It’s legal for

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-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 3:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters How horrible. On Sep 15, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Natalie wrote: It's legal for some, like

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On 09-15, Natalie wrote: >There's something wrong, seriously wrong with people who can't wait to >kill an animal. When we see a gorgeous, or ANY animal, we admire >them, enjoy looking at them, and always wish that we had a camera >handy - for those people it's the exact

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to respect or even like these guys! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters They call it baiting in Ky and it is

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My hero! sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC - Reply message - From: "Lorrie" Date: Thu, Sep 15, 2011 8:17 am Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters To: When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and walk back into the woods. We could hear them, but never

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] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:50 AM To: dlgegg; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters You know, sometimes it seems we are progressing because of all the animal welfare movements and all the laws to protect animals. There are more

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diately want to kill, in order to own? Or what is it? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 11:21 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters I can't even

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I can't even bear the thought! It makes me sick!! I believe an eye for an eye in this case. Let's see how they like it!! - Original Message - From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunter

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters They call it baiting in Ky and it is illegal here...doesn't keep people from doing it tho

[Felvtalk] Hunters

When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and walk back into the woods. We could hear them, but never find them, so because they were parked where I could get to their cars I began letting the air out of their tires! Lorrie

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ot; Date: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 4:49 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters To: UNFORTUNATELY, WE DO NOT SEEM TO LEARN. Bonnie Hogue wrote: > Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it > treat animals. Such disgusting cruelty. If there is reincarnation, guess >

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Wed, Sep 14, 2011 5:41 pm Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters To: You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt! Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvta

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y gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them

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Marcia, I totally agree!! - Original Message - From: Marcia Baronda To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters thats entrapment, and i think it's illegal as hell! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 6:02 AM,

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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters > > > On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: >> >>> Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt >>> and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). A

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ut no. > > > > Diane R. > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:56 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters > >

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doesn't show up in a long time, like 20 yrs or > more... > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:55 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subjec

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Bonnie~ I think I can do that...he's still in Austin and still hunts...hm, when is deer season? - Original Message - From: "Bonnie Hogue" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few

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vtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I wo

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kemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters > > > > So do Canada geese (mate for life). We live on a pond, and they spend a lot > of time here. We feed them, so they don

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way, they will > learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change. > > ~b. > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM > To: felvtalk@felinele

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n, to think that > after thousands of years, reincarnated beings haven't learned anything. > > N > > > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011

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lineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 11:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it treat animals. Such disgusting cruelty. If there is reincarnation, guess w

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here are still others! > > > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda > Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters > > &

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters So do Canada geese (mate for life). We live on a pond, and they spend a lot of time

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters/PLEASE EXPLAIN

nkler Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 10:54 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters/PLEASE EXPLAIN Please explain what you mean by "managed for maximum sustained yield". _ From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, Septemb

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Please explain what you mean by "managed for maximum sustained yield".  From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopul

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2011 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are "managed" for maximum sustained yield, for only one reason: to supply better hunting opportunities and revenues from hunting license fees. If they were left alone, th

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Unfortunately, you are so right, Natalie :( - Original Message - From: "Natalie" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:10 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Actually, the deer aren't responsible for overpopulation; they are "managed" for maximum sust

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Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 7:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx tha

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k-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh my gosh!! I could not put up with all that as long as you did! Is Dove meat really tha

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n his off-time, but no. Diane R. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dot winkler Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 7:56 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The t

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me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: "Lorrie" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thi

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ta Brickey To: FeLV List Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:51 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but

Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters & factory farmers

On 09-12, MaiMaiPG wrote: > Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for > factory farmers. Very true. Both kinds are detestable > On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, > wrote: > > >I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big &

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On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: >Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt >and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At >least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so >beautiful a creature to behold and s

[Felvtalk] Hunters etc

> On 09-12, Natalie wrote: > Welcome to "my" kinda club! Natalie, you and I see eye to eye about everything. You're my kinda person. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felin

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011 12:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from THAT! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey wro

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> family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. > > We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our > fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our > fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the

[Felvtalk] Hunters

Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences

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rg Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate.

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t: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport!  I love it when I read in the paper about hunting acci

[Felvtalk] Off topic: Hunters accidentally killing kids

mpos family was still reeling yesterday at the thought that a hunter standing a half mile away could errantly shoot into their home and, in the process, shatter their sense of security. "I feel like I live in a paper house," Lisa DeCampos said as she explained the recent incident with

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I agree, lots of the guys around here eat the deer and turkey o whtever they get. Daniel Boone and other frontiersmen did too. But the guy who goes out o get a big rack to hang o the wall deserves a swift kick i the ---. MaiMaiPG wrote: > Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters

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Yupbut feel a lot better about hunters who kill for food than for factory farmers. On Sep 12, 2011, at 3:07 PM, > wrote: I would have to be very hungry before I could look into those big brown eyes and then pull the trigger. Haveto make it on berries. Terri Brown wrote: I do

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t; From: Lorrie<mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> > Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters > > > Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but m

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Welcome to "my" kinda club! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters Oh how I hate hun

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ls: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorrie<mailto:felineres...@frontier.com> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk

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Oh how I hate hunters. They are not conservationists, but murderers. No hunting is allowed in our resort community, but we can hear them in the surrounding areas getting ready for the killing, which they think of as sport! I love it when I read in the paper about hunting accidents where some jerk

RE: OT Deer Hunters

__ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of wendy Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT Deer Hunters Malone, I have to admit that I too was not happy reading the rant on hunters. I kind of sometimes feel like vegans/vegetarians an

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Malone, I have to admit that I too was not happy reading the rant on hunters. I kind of sometimes feel like vegans/vegetarians and meat-eaters can be likened to Christians and Muslims. Both think they are right. Members of both can be very passionate about their beliefs without tolerating

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retty sight. I actually stumbled across it, while hiking, and could figure out what happened by reading the signs in the dirt. I do not think any serious , responsible hunters, who are decent, humble and really adding to their family's ability to survive, would not be upset about such people&#x

Re: OT Deer Hunters/Subject needs to change!

This subject needs to change! As we all have our opinions. I remain neutral as I understand both sides of this matter. This list is suppose to be geared towards our cats and kittens. I have been on this a long time I have to say I've never seen so much OT Subjects lately. We don't need to

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How judgmental we can be! My family has hunted all my life-it is a food source that we value and are thankful for. By the way my brother-in-law died 2 years ago this deer season of a massive heart attack. He was making sure that there would be food on the table for his children that winter. Nice to

Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 12:14 PM Subject: Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack

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Purring welcomes > of soft applause, >Ever guarding > with sharpened claws." > Trajan > Tennent > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "laurieska

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t, Purring welcomes of soft applause, Ever guarding with sharpened claws." Trajan Tennent - Original Message - From: "laurieskatz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent:

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first, I agree that canned hunts are absolutely wrong; besides, where's the "sport" in catching something inside a fence? second, most deer hunters are NOT "fat cats". In a lot of really rural areas, the poverty is such that there are many many families who depend

Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

]> To: Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: Re: OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk For starters, these out of shape creeps, need to become VEGETARIANS and take it from there. Maybe "hunting" needs to be replaced by "hiking" and people need to apprecia

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eeps, need to become VEGETARIANS and take it from there. People who kill animals for sport have no soul. The types that really are the most disgusting are the "hunters" that "hunt" for huge fees, in these fenced in parks, where the animals are often retired zoo animals or old an

OT: deer hunters: Greater heart attack risk

Found this very interesting. Of course, I wonder if it has anything to do with your inner spirit knowing that it is not right to harm these beautiful animals and this is punishment for their ignorance. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070817/hl_nm/deer_risk_dc Susan J. DuBose >^..^< www.PetGir

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Title: Message That's an encouraging story. Thanks for sharing, Faye. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lewis FayeSent: Friday, April 15, 2005 2:16 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Hunters During my last family re

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Hey, maybe evolution DOES workat least in some small ways..Lewis Faye <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: During my last family reunion, we had a most interesting discussion on hunting.  I come from a long, long line of hunters.  I hate hunting and always kept quiet because I knew I was the mi

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During my last family reunion, we had a most interesting discussion on hunting.  I come from a long, long line of hunters.  I hate hunting and always kept quiet because I knew I was the minority and would not be heard. I was stunned and thrilled by what I heard.  The older generation quit hunting

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In respect to this article on the woman shot walking her child to the bus stop...I will try to find it this weekendat one time I had it tucked in a book as proof to the dangers of the "sport".  If I remember correctly, the hunter was guilty of wrongful death, but didn't do time -just probation

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I can't imagine what the legal reasoning would be that a jury could use to acquit. First time or not, we all know that guns are meant to kill...this guy was, after all out to kill a deer, right? So if this idiot was proven to be the one who fired the gun, and it could be established the bullet

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Wow, insane. SD and MInnesota. I didn't know that... Gloria At 04:08 PM 4/13/2005, you wrote: South Dakota and Minnesota. http://www.dontshootthecat.com has links to all sorts of articles etc. "MacKenzie, Kerry N." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sally, i believe someon

RE: Hunters

Title: Message Thanks! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barb MoermondSent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 4:09 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: RE: Hunters South Dakota and Minnesota.   http://www.dontshootthecat.com has links to

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i don't remember the bus-stop incident, but i DO recall a similar case where a woman was shot in her yard after having been mistaken for a deer by a first-time hunter, and the person who killed her was prosecuted but found not guilty. and i've sat in a friend's lakeside home and heard the bullets

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did manage to kill. As to whether the idiots who shootmothers at bus stops and will shoot at just about anything that movesare in the majority or even just a significant percentage of those who hunt, I haveno idea...does any organization keep a record of those killed in hunting"accidents"

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, April 13, 2005 3:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hunters I was absolutely astounded by what Tamara had to say about the case of the woman being shot by an idiot of a hunter at a bus top and the hunter was not held accountable because of the color of the woman's clothing.

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d away at age 80, had been an avid hunter in his younger days. He had grown up in Minnesota, but I think he did most of his hunting after moving to S. Calif. after WWII and would make yearly treks with his horse and mules up into Utah and Idaho. I would have to say that they were all responsib