Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

2007-02-07 Thread Kelley Saveika
I was out at the Volunteer Fair at the University of Texas campus today (I had to take the day off to go). I got a lot of interestbut not sure how much will pan out...we will see. On 2/7/07, TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: excellent suggestions. more and more high-schools are req

Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

2007-02-07 Thread TenHouseCats
excellent suggestions. more and more high-schools are requiring community service before graduation, and far more kids would like to help animals than people--a sentiment i can certainly identify with! there's a lot of things that retirees can do, as well, with skills gained from years of working

Re: Rude Ranch -ideas for getting HELP

2007-02-07 Thread tamara stickler
Well, three of my volunteers have now moved out of state (have since gone off to college), and the other two now have their hands full with their two new children, one of which is a Down's Synd. baby...where are you? I found the kids willing to help that time at one of the high schools in t

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread Nina
No kidding! That was exactly what was going through my mind when reading Tamara's offer of help. I'm always wishing help like that would fall out of the sky and into my lap! Susan Hoffman wrote: Ummm, would you and your volunteers like to come give me a hand at MY place? I'll accept! */ta

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread Susan Hoffman
Ummm, would you and your volunteers like to come give me a hand at MY place? I'll accept! tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:MC wrote: "so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we really n

Re: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
HEHEE...& hey, LOVE that qote of your's...I Just took notice of it: Spay & Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference TenHouseCats <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: heck, everyone ELSE lies to children. On 2/6/07,

Re: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t

2007-02-06 Thread TenHouseCats
heck, everyone ELSE lies to children. On 2/6/07, tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ah yes...I suppose it would...with the exception of the fact that it didn't end well for ol' Frick...but I suppose I COULD change thathehe..hmm...should I begin that career by lying to children...

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread TenHouseCats
10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of interventio

RE: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread Wolf, Leah R.
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 11:44 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch Again, Leah, The description I relayed was not at Rude Ranch, but at the farm of a rescuer that claimed to be helping RR with fostering overflow cats...and yes

RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
children's book ideas up her sleevemy co-worker reckons (as I do) that "the goldfish who couldn't swim" would make a great book! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:1

RE: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
essage- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TenHouseCats Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly,

RE: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread Wolf, Leah R.
@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at leas

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread TenHouseCats
unfortunately, from what you saw, and what her husband said, she most probably did NOT accept any help. and, sadly, it probably will come to the point where she'll be on the news one day... this is when the now-trendy concept of intervention comes in at least the husband recognizes there's a p

RE: Rude Ranch-Chris

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a goo

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
MC wrote: "so if we see good people getting in over their heads, or in temporary trouble (sickness, having surgery, loss of volunteers or fosters), we really need to help them out--in the end, it benefits everyone. it's when people refuse to acknowledge or accept help that bells need to go off. i'm

RE: Rude Ranch-Chris

2007-02-06 Thread Chris
r Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: Rude Ranch-Chris Thanks Chris! I do think about Big Boy alot, and thought perhaps you had chosen to keep him. Romeo is a good name for him! Sorry about having to keep him separated from your girl. O

RE: Rude Ranch-Chris--Tamara o/t

2007-02-06 Thread MacKenzie, Kerry N.
my co-worker reckons (as I do) that "the goldfish who couldn't swim" would make a great book! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:12 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject:

RE: Rude Ranch-Chris

2007-02-06 Thread tamara stickler
tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a business to protect for the sake of the a

RE: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread Chris
for so much-and found > that everybody could be open & honest here. We need to give each other some > clues when something doesn't seem quite right. So Tamara, thank you from me > and from BB (who by the way is now Romeo and sprawled out on my bed-so much > for reho

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
wled out on my bed—so much for rehoming!) Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch Hey, I understa

RE: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread Chris
kler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 2:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a business to protect for the sake of the animals under its ca

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
well said. what's really sad is that, with the in-fighting that goes on, people are sometimes afraid to ask for help when they need it. or if they DO ask for it, it's either used against them, or they don't receive it. it IS hard to learn to know your own limits, to say 'no,' especially when we

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread Kelly L
At 01:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: Maybe just letting people know to really check out ANY place where you cat ends up...and make appointments to do follow ups, I personally do home checks when I adopt out any kitty or dog, and I do follow ups, One of my kitties. Little came back to me this week

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread Kelly L
At 01:20 PM 2/5/2007, you wrote: We do walk a thin line thoughsounds more like Gemini to me though,,lol here i go being terminally libra again--ON THE OTHER paw. this is a pretty closed list, with people particularly attuned to the needs of special-needs cats, so not as public as

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
i didn't think it was a personal attack, either, actually. i thought it was a well-worded reminder to all of us On 2/5/07, tamara stickler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks Nina, I thought that perhaps the issue I initiated was begining to escalate and just wanted to dead-end any path that

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
here i go being terminally libra again--ON THE OTHER paw. this is a pretty closed list, with people particularly attuned to the needs of special-needs cats, so not as public as some. many, many of us in rescue had heard things about angel wings, and we did nothing. we didn't want to cause tr

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread tamara stickler
Thanks Nina, I thought that perhaps the issue I initiated was begining to escalate and just wanted to dead-end any path that might lead to hard feelings. It has never been, nor will it ever be my intention to cause distress or negative emotions to bubble over on the list. Thanks for

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread Kelly L
At 11:51 AM 2/5/2007, you wrote: We can and should only relay facts as we personally know them, and do our best to do it privately if at all possible, If we have misgivings, it is our duty to protect the animals, We all have different standards. My cats have dirt to play in and bushes,,,and i

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread Nina
Tamara, I certainly appreciate your taking the time to post to the list about your personal experience with RR. Your language and tact was in no way interpreted, (certainly not by me) as a definitive slam on them personally. You were very clear about your involvement. It started a lively di

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread tamara stickler
Hey, I understand. I can understand where both the person who had volunteered to take Simms and Rude Ranch, are coming from. RR has a business to protect for the sake of the animals under its care, and they can only continue if the people who entrust the animals to them continue to help pay fo

Re: Rude Ranch

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
exactly. it only takes one person with their own agenda to cause irreparable harm. we were once contacted by someone who wanted us to take her two FeLVs, from quite a distance away. as FeLVs don't do really well on long transports, we tried to work with her on more local options. every place

Re: Rude Ranch -WARNING

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
o question that Rude Ranch is a shelter and not a home and I believe that Bob and Kathy work hard to place the cats that come to them. My two cents. Leah From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007

RE: Rude Ranch -WARNING

2007-02-05 Thread Wolf, Leah R.
. Leah _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 10:30 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Rude Ranch -WARNING Yes, Rude Ranch does LOOK like a great place...BUT: I attempted to place a cat at Rude

Re: Rude Ranch -WARNING

2007-02-05 Thread TenHouseCats
on the other paw. as someone who lived/worked at a sanctuary, let me explain something about the reasons places ask for notice before people are allowed to visit. a real sanctuary will NEVER turn anyone with a legitimate reason to reason to visit down. HOWEVER, in most cases, this is also th

Re: Rude Ranch -WARNING

2007-02-05 Thread tamara stickler
Yes, Rude Ranch does LOOK like a great place...BUT: I attempted to place a cat at Rude Ranch a few years back, committing to the monthly support fee needed to surrender. My first choice for the felv + stray I had rescued was an actual home, not an institution, so when a woman called and