Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-30 Thread David H. Bailey
I find that sometimes questionable practices end up becoming the norm simply because some big name did it. I find nothing clear about having things collide with accidentals, and would personally hesitate to do it. But Bartok was a meticulous composer and one would imagine he checked the proofs

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Daniel Dorff
I'll add: What European Boosey did for Bartok in the 1920s (or whenever) with one metal-plate engraver has really nothing to do with what the NY office does with different tools for different composers in the 2000s, and there's a good chance their editor didn't really care about this subtlety as lo

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread David Horne
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:58:39 -0400, "Tim Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > In my own practice, I stop the line short of the accidental, because it > works, and is clean (in my opinion), but my opinion may not be that of > a publisher such as Boosey and Hawkes--and obviously, Bartok had a > g

RE: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Harold Owen
Steve Fiskum: I was just trying to find out the advantage of this practice and not start a feud. Sorry if I offended you. I would like to hear what people have to say about this practice. David Horne gave his opinion...what do other people think? And also: What is the advantage of this practic

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Andrew Stiller
This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extensions to my custom lines to force them to do this, accis be damned. This is one of the mai

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Tim Thompson
In my own practice, I stop the line short of the accidental, because it works, and is clean (in my opinion), but my opinion may not be that of a publisher such as Boosey and Hawkes--and obviously, Bartok had a great deal of influence in the final result. Music typesetting has always been evolv

RE: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Fiskum, Steve
Hello Robert, I was just trying to find out the advantage of this practice and not start a feud. Sorry if I offended you. I would like to hear what people have to say about this practice. David Horne gave his opinion...what do other people think? And also: What is the advantage of this practi

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
First of all, check out the examples I cited before you knock it. (Bartok's 3rd Quartet is chock full of nearly every situation you can imagine.) Just because the lines pierce the noteheads does not mean they obscure the accis. Secondly, I find (for myself) that my intuitive sense of what ought

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread David Horne
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 15:29:38 +, "Robert Patterson Finale" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* > avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always > pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extens

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Éric Dussault
Le 29/09/03 12:04, "Fiskum, Steve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit: > What is the advantage of this to the end user? Why muddy an accidental with a > line when placing the line before the accidental gets the point accross and > (IMHO) retains a clean page? I can see where this would just clutter the p

RE: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Fiskum, Steve
> From: Robert Patterson > > This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* avoid accis. In > my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always pierce the noteheads, acci > or no. I have actually added extensions to my custom lines to force them to do this,

Re: [Finale] Glisses and Accis (was: The Joys of Custom Lines)

2003-09-29 Thread Robert Patterson Finale
This conversation begs the question of whether glisses even *should* avoid accis. In my editions of Bartok String Quartets, the glisses always pierce the noteheads, acci or no. I have actually added extensions to my custom lines to force them to do this, accis be damned. Augmentation dots are a