This message from Robert Patterson came directly to me, but I think it was
intended for the list:
>This explanation begs the question. Explaining how a variant (I say
>"wrong") pronunciation came into being does not justify it in the same
>way that your previous explanation of "I could care less"
At 10:02 AM 09/12/03, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>"Nuclear" is pretty much unique in ending with a weak [EMAIL PROTECTED], but
>there are a great many words that end in -cular: molecular,
>particular, vernacular, spectacular, jocular, etc. For an English
>speaker, therefore, "nuclear" is hard to wrap t
At 3:00 PM 09/12/03, David H. Bailey wrote:
>Throughout the history of the English language, many letters have
>changed places within the word for easier pronunciation -- girl used to
>be gril in very old English, for example. With nuclear, moving the L
>away from the C with a vowel in between ma
Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
[snip]
most prominent individual to perpetrate the mispronunciation,
whose supporters insist on pointing out that he is both intelligent, and
highly educated at an Ivy league school.
Well, with all that beer they consumed (to say nothing of other
potential consumables)
Then you probably wouldn't be likely to pronounce it that way, would you?
But for some people it rolls out of the mouth more easily that way.
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 3:00 PM -0400 9/12/03, David H. Bailey wrote:
Throughout the history of the English language, many letters have
changed
Languages evolve, pronunciation evolves, things change until the
language dies. Rules change -- that old rule about not splitting
infinitives in English has been tossed out the window by the Oxford
English Dictionary because it turns out it was invented in the early
1800s by a Latin scholar.
At 3:00 PM -0400 9/12/03, David H. Bailey wrote:
Throughout the history of the English language, many letters have
changed places within the word for easier pronunciation -- girl used
to be gril in very old English, for example. With nuclear, moving
the L away from the C with a vowel in between
At 2:57 PM -0500 9/12/03, Noel Stoutenburg wrote:
In my opinion, Andrew's explanation does
provide an explanation why an _educated_ person would persist in
mis-pronouncing the word for thirty five years or more, especially in the
case of the most prominent individual to perpetrate the mispronunciat
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And that remark in turn does NOT beg the question, because the
_expression_ does NOT mean "demanding that the question be asked."
When did that start up?
Christopher
http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-beg1.htm
Mark quoted:
> > Same goes for those who kvetch about pronouncing "nuclear"
> > like "nucular".
and then wrote,
prompting Andrew to rejoin:
> While I myself look down on folks who say "nucular," there is indeed
> a good reason for the pronunciation:
and to go on to provide a very good reason
I do appreciate the discussion of nuclear vs. "nucular."
I dislike George W. Bush as president for a long list of reasons. But I
will take his pronunciation of that word off of the list. Plenty of reasons
left.
Thanks,
Ray Horton
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But Jimmy Carter, who studied nucular physics in college if I recall
correctly, pronounced it nucular. So it isn't only those who don't have
reason to pronounce similar words in their daily routine that have a
hard time saying nuclear correctly.
Andrew Stiller wrote:
Mark D. Lew wrote:
Same
That started because speakers WANT the unasked question to be asked so
they can appear smarter by answering it. So they ask it themselves.
Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
At 1:18 PM + 9/12/03, Robert Patterson Finale wrote:
Hear, hear!
(And *not* the abombination, "here, here")
Well, that r
Throughout the history of the English language, many letters have
changed places within the word for easier pronunciation -- girl used to
be gril in very old English, for example. With nuclear, moving the L
away from the C with a vowel in between makes it easier to pronounce.
Brad Beyenhof w
At 9/12/2003 11:15 AM, Craig Parmerlee wrote:
>At 06:08 AM 9/12/2003 -0700, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
>>Mark D. Lew wrote:
>>
>> > Same goes for those who kvetch about pronouncing "nuclear"
>> > like "nucular".
>>
>>There's a logical explanation for "nucular"? If it truly exists, I
>>would love to hea
At 06:08 AM 9/12/2003 -0700, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Mark D. Lew wrote:
> Same goes for those who kvetch about pronouncing "nuclear"
> like "nucular".
There's a logical explanation for "nucular"? If it truly exists, I
would love to hear it.
Yes. It's called stupidity.
Anybody who can't pronounce n
Mark D. Lew wrote:
Same goes for those who kvetch about pronouncing "nuclear"
like "nucular".
There's a logical explanation for "nucular"? If it truly exists, I
would love to hear it.
-
Brad Beyenhof
While I myself look down on folks who say "nucular," there is indeed
a good reason
At 6:08 AM -0700 9/12/03, Brad Beyenhof wrote:
Mark D. Lew wrote:
Same goes for those who kvetch about pronouncing "nuclear"
like "nucular".
There's a logical explanation for "nucular"? If it truly exists, I
would love to hear it.
About as logical as "aisle" (I'll) and "sword" (sord), except
At 1:18 PM + 9/12/03, Robert Patterson Finale wrote:
Hear, hear!
(And *not* the abombination, "here, here")
Well, that remarks begs the question: did you mean to say "bomb"?
And that remark in turn does NOT beg the question, because the
expression does NOT mean "demanding that the question
At 05:03 AM 9/12/03, you wrote:
Another way of looking at it is that "I could care less" (or "I should be
so lucky", etc.) is a truncation of a disbelieving subjunctive. In other
words, it's short for something like "If I could care less, then I could
fly to the moon", except that the speaker doesn
;-)
>
> Guess who's grading assignments this morning... ;-)
> Jim W.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark D. Lew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> To: finale list
> Cc:
> Subject: [Finale] "I could care less&quo
Mark D. Lew wrote:
> Same goes for those who kvetch about pronouncing "nuclear"
> like "nucular".
There's a logical explanation for "nucular"? If it truly exists, I
would love to hear it.
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Brad Beyenhof
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At 4:13 PM 09/10/03, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>If you really want to know, check out
At 4:13 PM 09/10/03, Andrew Stiller wrote:
>If you really want to know, check out
>http://www.quinion.com/words/qa/qa-ico1.htm,
>from wh. the following is excerpted:
>
>There's a close link between the stress pattern of I could care less
>and the kind that appears in certain sarcastic or self-depr
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