Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-23 Thread Charles Turner
On Saturday, March 22, 2003, at 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dennis Bathory-Kitsz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:58:28 AM US/Central Subject: Re: [Finale] Re: TAN: Sound recording At 06:49 PM 3/22/03 +1100, One of the McKays wrote: Is there a way I can get better play

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-17 Thread One of the McKays
Yesterday I purchased a pair of Audio Technica condensor mikes and an Alto 6 channel sound mixer and did some recording with my computer, using Cool Edit 2000 [demo]. I burned a CD of 3 piano pieces and I was impressed with the results. I was also impressed with the range of the mike [one is yet t

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 3:03 PM -0500 3/02/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: iPods can handle CD-quality audio? I have been under the impression that iPods operate with compressed audio, like MP3s. The iPod can play back both compressed (MP3) and uncompre

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 08:36 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: iPods can handle CD-quality audio? I have been under the impression that iPods operate with compressed audio, like MP3s. The iPod can play back both compressed (MP3) and uncompressed (AIFF, WAV) audio. The next generation of iP

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Javier Ruiz
Great tip, thanks Johannes! > On 02.03.2003 18:07 Uhr, Doug Auwarter wrote > >> As usual, I hit the "reply" button and it went to Johannes only. Perhaps I >> will one day get used to how this particular list/serv works. Sorry for the >> duplicate messages, Johannes! > > No problem. However, I th

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 02.03.2003 18:07 Uhr, Doug Auwarter wrote > As usual, I hit the "reply" button and it went to Johannes only. Perhaps I > will one day get used to how this particular list/serv works. Sorry for the > duplicate messages, Johannes! No problem. However, I think you are using Outlook Express 5 for

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Doug Auwarter
As usual, I hit the "reply" button and it went to Johannes only. Perhaps I will one day get used to how this particular list/serv works. Sorry for the duplicate messages, Johannes! on 3/2/03 2:52 AM, Johannes Gebauer at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > When it works it's great - no copying from DATs to

RE: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Tobias Giesen
> a certain risk of loosing complete recordings ... Obviously any serious recording endeavor will use a backup system, i.e. DAT + MiniDisk or Hard Disk + DAT or whatever. No medium is safe. Cheers, Tobias ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] htt

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 02.03.2003 15:14 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote > I used to be a big fan of DAT, but my experience has taught me otherwise. > It had its day, but I think that day is over; I look forward to being able > to retire it in favor of a laptop. Here are the typical problems with DAT, > and why I do n

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
I used to be a big fan of DAT, but my experience has taught me otherwise. It had its day, but I think that day is over; I look forward to being able to retire it in favor of a laptop. Here are the typical problems with DAT, and why I do not recommend it anymore. 1. Transport issues. Tapes don't a

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 10:45 AM +0100 3/02/03, Johannes Gebauer wrote: 1) MDs are much cheaper than DAT (I mean the media not the recorder) Hmm, MD recorders too are cheaper than DAT recorders, as far as I know, so cheaper overall. 2) There are rudimentary editing capabilities on a MD, editing out pauses, etc. 3)

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 4:55 AM -0500 3/02/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 03:52 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't quite follow this argumentation: It is true that HD based digital recorders have advantages to DATs, but they still have some disadvantages as well. Obviously reliability is a

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 03:01 AM 3/2/03 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: >Also, Richard, I'm curious -- what do you use the deck for? I always >thought the main appeal of MiniDisc recorders is their small size and >portability To answer the question from our POV: The deck in the radio station air studio is used to r

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 03:52 AM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I don't quite follow this argumentation: It is true that HD based digital recorders have advantages to DATs, but they still have some disadvantages as well. Obviously reliability is actually _the_ factor in any recording environment

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.03.2003 23:38 Uhr, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote > Minidisc recorders on sale now can now record at 44.1 KHz, which is nice. > I'm assuming that this means no compression is used. That's nonsense. MD is compressed, otherwise you would only fit about 10 minutes on the disk. As far a

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.03.2003 23:49 Uhr, Carlberg Jones wrote >> Just make sure that you don't buy the microphone which plugs directly into >> the side of the machine, as you get the mechanical noise of the recorder >> itself. > > I plug my microphone directly into my Sharp 722 MD and there's no > mechanical noi

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 02.03.2003 9:01 Uhr, Darcy James Argue wrote > Right -- I meant *portable* MiniDisc recorder. Do you happen to know > if there are any of those with digital out? > > Also, Richard, I'm curious -- what do you use the deck for? I always > thought the main appeal of MiniDisc recorders is their

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.03.2003 21:53 Uhr, Charles Turner wrote > Firewire has been completely solid for me. While I haven't tried it I'm > skeptical about using USB for serious digital audio recording. I have > read a review however, saying that the USB 2-channel Digidesign Mbox > with Protools LE works well. Ev

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.03.2003 10:36 Uhr, Darcy James Argue wrote > It seems obvious that this is the direction portable digital recording > is moving in. The MiniDisc is based on obsolete technology, and DAT > recorders are inferior to a hard-drive based recorder in every way > (except, arguably, reliability, bu

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-02 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 12:00 AM, Richard Yates wrote: My Sony MiniDisk deck JB940 has digital out (and optical digital out). Richard Yates Darcy James Argue wrote: ...To the best of my knowledge, no MiniDisc recorder is capable of recording uncompressed digital audio, and none is capable

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Richard Yates
My Sony MiniDisk deck JB940 has digital out (and optical digital out). Richard Yates Darcy James Argue wrote: >>...To the best of my >> knowledge, no MiniDisc recorder is capable of recording uncompressed >> digital audio, and none is capable of outputting digital audio of >> any kind (unless th

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Carlberg Jones
At 9:44 PM -0500 3/1/03, David H. Bailey wrote: >I think what he meant is the sort of microphone without any cable, sort >of a snap-on mike that is too close to the unit and picks up the >mechanical sounds of the recorder. Like I was saying, there is no mechanical sound, between you and me. There

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread David H. Bailey
I think what he meant is the sort of microphone without any cable, sort of a snap-on mike that is too close to the unit and picks up the mechanical sounds of the recorder. Carlberg Jones wrote: At 9:38 AM +1100 3/2/03, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Just make sure that you don't buy th

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 05:38 PM, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Minidisc recorders on sale now can now record at 44.1 KHz, which is nice. I'm assuming that this means no compression is used. That would be an incorrect assumption. The sampling rate is just the sampling rate, i

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 05:49 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: At 9:38 AM +1100 3/2/03, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: Just make sure that you don't buy the microphone which plugs directly into the side of the machine, as you get the mechanical noise of the recorder itself. I plug my m

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Carlberg Jones
At 9:38 AM +1100 3/2/03, Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account wrote: >Just make sure that you don't buy the microphone which plugs directly into >the side of the machine, as you get the mechanical noise of the recorder >itself. I plug my microphone directly into my Sharp 722 MD and there's no mechanic

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Matthew Hindson Fastmail Account
> Subject: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording > > I would like to record accompaniments for students and performances of > students and am looking for advice, please. > > > I am also interested in Mini Disk recorders. I like the idea of being able > to take your little player

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Charles Turner
On Saturday, March 1, 2003, at 12:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Johannes Gebauer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 1:56:37 AM US/Central On 01.03.2003 2:17 Uhr, Darcy James Argue wrote If you already have a laptop, you should forget all of the above and go for either a good-q

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:56 AM 3/1/03 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >On 01.03.2003 0:45 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote > >> A 256MB card >> will record about 50 minutes of uncompressed audio. > >How? 50 minutes of CD quality stereo take approximately 500 MB. Sorry -- yes, I meant 512MB card. Not quite economical y

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:56 AM 3/1/03 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >DATs are much more reliable and fool proof. This isn't true, at least in terms of reliability. Fools, well, I don't know. I've had my own issues. :) I can't imagine what issues WDR had that would take a recording computer down for several hours.

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-03-01 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 08:33 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: At 08:17 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: What would be really great would be an iPod-like device with a line in for a mic. It wouldn't be difficult for Apple to add this feature, and it would completely destroy th

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.03.2003 0:45 Uhr, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote > A 256MB card > will record about 50 minutes of uncompressed audio. How? 50 minutes of CD quality stereo take approximately 500 MB. Johannes -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 01.03.2003 2:17 Uhr, Darcy James Argue wrote > If you already have a laptop, you should forget all of the above and go > for either a good-quality USB microphone or an external USB or Firewire > mixer that accepts mic inputs. This will allow you to record digital > audio directly to your hard

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 09:17 PM, One of the McKays wrote: Thanks for all the advice, folks. I am disappointed you can't transfer the stuff via USB cable to your computer, like I do with my digital camera. I guess the files would be a lot bigger. No. It's got nothing to do with the siz

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread One of the McKays
Thanks for all the advice, folks. I am disappointed you can't transfer the stuff via USB cable to your computer, like I do with my digital camera. I guess the files would be a lot bigger. Doesn't sound like one of these is what I'm looking for. Maybe I should get a laptop. David McKay [EMAIL PROTE

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:39 PM, One of the McKays wrote: Thanks for your reply, David. Don't understand the necessity for buying a very expensive mike. David, the microphone is the most crucial part of the sound recording chain. Even with a MiniDisc recorder, with its audio compressi

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 08:17 PM 2/28/03 -0500, Darcy James Argue wrote: >What would be really great would be an iPod-like device with a line in >for a mic. It wouldn't be difficult for Apple to add this feature, and >it would completely destroy the market for those crappy MiniDisc >recorders. It's called Nomad. h

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 8:39 AM +1100 3/01/03, One of the McKays wrote: Thanks for your reply, David. Don't understand the necessity for buying a very expensive mike. My computer is a Pentium II 300 mhz . The specs page for the Sony Walkman minidisk says they require a 400 mhz computer. I am wondering if they mean that

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Darcy James Argue
On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 04:06 PM, One of the McKays wrote: I would like to record accompaniments for students and performances of students and am looking for advice, please. One thought is a digital video camera. I was knocked out by the sound quality from a Sony camera recording 2 flute

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
At 11:18 PM 2/28/03 +0100, Johannes Gebauer wrote: >The >bottle neck will probably be the built in mic preamp, but to get a decent >combination of mic and preamp your are looking at an investment of several >thousand dollars US. Depends on your golden ears. :) A pair of Oktava O12 mics and a Behr

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Tim Thompson
We use Canon GL-1 DV camcorders, with an attachment that allows stereo XLR inputs into the mic input on the camcorder. Works great. And the newer GL-2 has the XLR inputs built in from what I understand. The Shure VP-88 is a great stereo mic, and can be had for around $800, including battery (whi

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread Johannes Gebauer
On 28.02.2003 22:06 Uhr, One of the McKays wrote > I would like to record accompaniments for students and performances of > students and am looking for advice, please. > > One thought is a digital video camera. I was knocked out by the sound > quality from a Sony camera recording 2 flutes and pia

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread One of the McKays
Thanks for your reply, David. Don't understand the necessity for buying a very expensive mike. My computer is a Pentium II 300 mhz . The specs page for the Sony Walkman minidisk says they require a 400 mhz computer. I am wondering if they mean that less will be slow, or if my low speed computer wo

Re: [Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread David H. Bailey
From what I have heard, you are correct about the mikes not being included with the minidisk recorders and in order to be able to download digitally to the computer you need to buy a very expensive one. Of course the short time the signal would be in the analog world from minidisk recorder to

[Finale] TAN: Sound recording

2003-02-28 Thread One of the McKays
I would like to record accompaniments for students and performances of students and am looking for advice, please. One thought is a digital video camera. I was knocked out by the sound quality from a Sony camera recording 2 flutes and piano with its own microphone a couple of years back. I am als