At 5:26 PM -0500 11/16/02, John Howell wrote:
>I also have wondered for a long time about the word "atonal." I can't
figure out any meaningful definition for it that includes how the
listener would hear it, which I would have to try to take into
consideration.
Christopher
The textbook definit
me:> Atonal music is listened to exactly as other music, because it works
in the same way, through an artful manipulation of the tension
between expectation and surprise.
I don't think that's an ample explanation of how we listen, because it
doesn't take into account the fact that we can memo
>I also have wondered for a long time about the word "atonal." I can't
>figure out any meaningful definition for it that includes how the
>listener would hear it, which I would have to try to take into
>consideration.
>
>Christopher
The textbook definition is that it is music with no tonal center,
Andrew Stiller wrote:
> Atonal music is listened to exactly as other music, because it works
> in the same way, through an artful manipulation of the tension
> between expectation and surprise.
I don't think that's an ample explanation of how we listen, because it
doesn't take into account the fa
On 16 Nov 2002 at 7:28, David H. Bailey wrote:
> I agree that tonal music isn't just a single dominant-tonic
> relationship, but rather chord usage where each chord implies a
> tonality. If there are more than one tonality implied during the course
> of a song, there is no basic difference (in
Dear folks,
As you can see we can't agree on single definitions of the words
'tonality' and 'atonality'. This makes both terms very difficult to
use in describing different kinds of music. According to the most
broad definition, gamelan music and the Tristan Prelude of Wagner are
both tonal, b
At 8:42 PM 11/15/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
I also have wondered for a long time about the word "atonal." I can't
figure out any meaningful definition for it that includes how the
listener would hear it, which I would have to try to take into
>consideration.
Atonal music is listened to
Well this is all a pretty mess. Thanks Andrew!
If this were a Venn diagram obviously all previous music would relate
and 20th C. -Western art would be in a category by itself.
The binding factor for the rest would be the forming of a relationship
to the harmonic series.
Having to then extract
I agree that tonal music isn't just a single dominant-tonic
relationship, but rather chord usage where each chord implies a
tonality. If there are more than one tonality implied during the course
of a song, there is no basic difference (in my mind) from music which
has modulations but remains
At 8:42 PM 11/15/02, Christopher BJ Smith wrote:
>I also have wondered for a long time about the word "atonal." I can't
>figure out any meaningful definition for it that includes how the
>listener would hear it, which I would have to try to take into
>consideration.
I would venture to guess that
Darcy James Argue wrote:
On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 07:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
"Tonality"--the word--needs to cast a very wide net; it would include all
music that employs a tonal center in ANY way. --David A. Lawrence
So... let me get this straight. Your definition of tonality
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On Friday, November 15, 2002, at 07:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/15/2002 3:55:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Yours ain't the definition of "tonality" I was taught. >>
Correct: it's a definition of tonality as an over-arching
organizational
At 7:05 PM -0500 11/15/02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 11/15/2002 3:55:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Yours ain't the definition of "tonality" I was taught. >>
Correct: it's a definition of tonality as an over-arching organizational
scheme in musical fo
In a message dated 11/15/2002 3:55:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<< Yours ain't the definition of "tonality" I was taught. >>
Correct: it's a definition of tonality as an over-arching organizational
scheme in musical form.
"Tonality"--the word--needs to cast a very wid
On 2002/11/15 05:13 PM or thereabouts, Randolph Peters
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> intoned:
> Andrew Stiller wrote:
> [snip]
>> Rock (of which Pop, for the past 40 years, is a synonym, not a
>> different genre) is not tonal. Triadic yes, diatonic yes, but not
>> tonal. A genre in which one may cadence wit
Andrew Stiller wrote:
[snip]
Rock (of which Pop, for the past 40 years, is a synonym, not a
different genre) is not tonal. Triadic yes, diatonic yes, but not
tonal. A genre in which one may cadence with any progression at all
*except* the authentic, may end on a suspension or a seventh chord,
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