Re: AW: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-06 Thread Bruce K H Kau
I remember seeing this same thing (in principle, anyway) in a book about oboe playing. This was way back in college, and upon reading about it I thought back to my high school band days -- we had some piece that had us holding a single note tied over I think 8 measures. I was stupid enough to try

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-05 Thread Eden - Lawrence D.
I heard the great Clark Terry perform at the University of Maryland several years ago and he used circular breathing...or he was a magician. I also saw him play two trumpets at the same time...in harmony. BTW, the trombone player in my brass quintet can circular breath. On Thu, 4 Dec 2003,

AW: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-05 Thread Daniel Wolf
This is on the edge of being off-topic, but I'd like to note that the original score for La Monte Young's _Vision_ (1959), a piece with very long sustained tones, suggested the use of a tube-and-foot-bellows device identified as either an aerophone or as Samuel's wind machine. I've never

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-05 Thread John.Howell
At 6:26 PM -0500 12/3/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on woodwinds, my impression is that it is considerably more difficult to do on brass instruments, especially trumpet.

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread David H. Bailey
And if it's written for a specific individual, he/she won't need to be told when to circular breathe -- that will be done as needed, dictated by the phrasing on the page. Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on woodwinds, my impression is that it is considerably more difficult to do on brass instruments, especially trumpet. In fact, I don't think

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread David H. Bailey
There was an interesting exchange regarding circular breathing between Robert J. Lurtsema and James Galway concerning Galway's recording of a perpetual motion work (can't remember if it was Paganini's, but the specific work isn't important.) Robert J. was recounting to Galway how he had aired

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 6:26 PM -0500 12/03/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on woodwinds, my impression is that it is considerably more difficult to do on brass instruments, especially trumpet.

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Aaron Sherber
At 08:24 AM 12/4/2003, David H. Bailey wrote: So unless the liner notes state specifically that Marsalis did it with circular breathing, or you have seen him perform that work in public and actually saw him use circular breathing, I would remain skeptical about it. When the recording came out

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Bettina Crimmins
, December 04, 2003 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression At 08:24 AM 12/4/2003, David H. Bailey wrote: So unless the liner notes state specifically that Marsalis did it with circular breathing, or you have seen him perform that work in public and actually saw him use

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: the last note my first trumpet is playing is very long one. about 50 seconds long, for which he will need the circular breathing technique. What I would do is this: after the first fermata: circular breathing! I was under the

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Andrew Stiller
I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on woodwinds, my impression is that it is considerably more difficult to do on brass instruments, especially trumpet. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard anyone

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 04 Dec 2003, at 08:29 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 6:26 PM -0500 12/03/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on woodwinds, my impression is that it is considerably more

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Christopher BJ Smith
At 1:35 PM -0500 12/04/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hmm... I always expected that circular breathing would be easier on a digeridoo -- maybe because the bore is so much wider than a brass mouthpiece? Anyway, my friend Josh Sinton, a great multi-woodwind player, first learned to circular

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Raymond Horton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression ... So unless the liner notes state specifically that Marsalis did it with circular breathing, or you have seen him perform that work in public and actually saw

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-04 Thread Craig Parmerlee
At 01:35 PM 12/4/2003, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 04 Dec 2003, at 08:29 AM, Christopher BJ Smith wrote: At 6:26 PM -0500 12/03/03, Darcy James Argue wrote: I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-03 Thread John.Howell
hello list, i would like to make public my gratitude to mr. andrew stiller for all his advice. not to bother him again, and because there might be some brass players on the list, i'm sending this asking for help. the last note my first trumpet is playing is very long one. about 50 seconds long,

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-03 Thread Andrew Stiller
the last note my first trumpet is playing is very long one. about 50 seconds long, for which he will need the circular breathing technique. it is written using two character-W-(shift) slurred and fermated notes, as the first 30 seconds the sound is sustained along an evolving computer generated

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-03 Thread Brad Beyenhof
On Wednesday, December 3, 2003, at 01:32 PM, Andrew Stiller wrote: the last note my first trumpet is playing is very long one. about 50 seconds long, for which he will need the circular breathing technique. What I would do is this: after the first fermata: circular breathing! I was under the

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-03 Thread David H. Bailey
He didn't ask if it made sense to write it in the score, he just asked how it would be best. I think the performer would decide how to do it -- if the performer can do it on one breath, why bother with circular breathing? If the performer can't do circular breathing and can't hold the note

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
I don't mean to pile on, but this struck me as odd as well. While I know a number of people who are able to circular breathe on woodwinds, my impression is that it is considerably more difficult to do on brass instruments, especially trumpet. In fact, I don't think I've ever heard anyone

Re: [Finale] circular breathing expression

2003-12-03 Thread M. Perticone
dear listers, thanks for all your replies. the following paragraph tries to answer some questions my original post could arise. well, the piece was already performed almost two years ago. but the score was (fairly nicely) handwritten and now, after adjusting some minor details, i'm trying to