Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread John Howell
At 3:49 PM -0500 12/13/10, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: How can string players learn a fairly vast repertoire of fingerings, positions, and techniques during their careers -- techniques that are played just from the "what" on the sheet music -- but for harmonics they have to be told "how"? I quit

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
Hi Dennis, Guitarists are used to seeing just the circle notation (the "what") for harmonics. String players are used to seeing the diamonds (the "how") so for sight-reading purposes they don't all have the reflexes to figure out harmonics on the fly. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secre

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread Dennis Bathory-Kitsz
On Mon, December 13, 2010 3:30 pm, John Howell wrote: > In my opinion, and for artificial harmonics, it would be indicating > the fretting finger and the touching finger with solid/diamond notes. > That is a specific instruction for a specific action, instantly > recognizable and playable. For nat

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread John Howell
At 1:38 PM -0500 12/13/10, Christopher Smith wrote: And what WOULD that be (the notation that is exactly what to do without roadblocks), when trying to notate harmonics clearly? In my opinion, and for artificial harmonics, it would be indicating the fretting finger and the touching finger wi

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 13 Dec 2010, at 1:38 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: > And what WOULD that be (the notation that is exactly what to do without > roadblocks), when trying to notate harmonics clearly? Generally, the "touch fourth" diamond notation for artificial harmonics. It's widely and instantly understood,

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mon Dec 13, at MondayDec 13 12:03 PM, John Howell wrote: > So I guess I'm advocating the principal of KISS: Always choose notation that > tells the player exactly what to do, or comes as close as possible given the > limitations of our notational system. Do not deliberately erect roadblock

[Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread Daniel Wolf
Unless you wish to use the particular intonation and tone quality of individual natural harmonics — in which case the open string and a diamond at the interval consistant with the partial node should be notated — then the circle above the desired pitch is sufficient. Daniel Wolf __

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 12/13/2010 12:03 PM, John Howell wrote: of natural harmonics that we've been seeing for years. It therefore throws the player into an intellectual mode, where we have to stop and figure out how to produce it. And that takes time, which a symphony player will have, but a gigging player will n

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-13 Thread John Howell
At 10:18 PM -0500 12/12/10, Aaron Sherber wrote: But isn't that an advantage of just using the circle notation? It indicates to the player the desired pitch and the fact that it should be a harmonic, and leaves the details to the player. Boy, is that ever a hard question to answer! Let me p

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-12 Thread Aaron Sherber
On 12/12/2010 9:34 PM, John Howell wrote: That is ALMOST correct, but incomplete. The harmonic of the 4th (the fretted note plus a diamond note a 4th above) produces the harmonic 2 octaves above the fretted note. But artificial harmonics include the harmonic of the 5th as well ... Yes, I word

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-12 Thread Mariposa Symphony Orchestra
well To: finale@shsu.edu Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics At 5:54 PM -0500 12/12/10, Aaron Sherber wrote: >Hi all, > >In notating string harmonics, Forsyth and Gardner Read say that a >notehead with an o over it indicat

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-12 Thread John Howell
At 5:54 PM -0500 12/12/10, Aaron Sherber wrote: Hi all, In notating string harmonics, Forsyth and Gardner Read say that a notehead with an o over it indicates a natural harmonic, while a notehead with a diamond notehead a fourth above should be used for artificial harmonics. That is ALMOST

Re: [Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-12 Thread Matthew Hindson (gmail)
My 2c from being a composer and very-ex-string-player: For orchestral/large chamber writing, I've come to the conclusion that apart from octave harmonics, I write them all as tablature markings with diamond shaped noteheads. Even natural harmonics at the fifth, fourth etc. Otherwise (in my e

[Finale] {Spam} String harmonics

2010-12-12 Thread Aaron Sherber
Hi all, In notating string harmonics, Forsyth and Gardner Read say that a notehead with an o over it indicates a natural harmonic, while a notehead with a diamond notehead a fourth above should be used for artificial harmonics. Del Mar, though, says that "according to one school of thought" i