RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Currington
> Christopher Smith composed the following. > On Feb 19, 2008, at 5:33 PM, dhbailey wrote: >> >> And here all my teachers told me there were no stupid questions. :-( > > That's what I say to MY students. "There are no stupid questions. > Only stupid students." > > 8-) > > Christoph

FW: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Currington
Oh and before someone jumps down my throat. I was agreeing whole heartedly with the "try and see" statement not the "stupid question" statement. In my opinion any question raised on these forums is valid no matter how "stupid" they may seem to some. It is all a matter of where one stands in t

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Currington
> dhbailey composed the following. > Robert Patterson wrote: >> Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is a stupid question. But it >> is a question that whose answer is very individual. >> >> The only reason I chime in here is to mention that if you are not >> making full use of 3rd-

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Currington
Yep. agree whole heartedly. And in trying give both a fair "hearing".. ala rather than saying Oh bugger Finale doesn't do this well or Sibelius as crap at that.. They should give both a complete se of "test run" and see in reality which overall works best.. Both will have advantages and both wi

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Steve Currington
> Christopher Smith composed the following. > On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Adam Golding wrote: > >> yeah i indeed tried the macro route for awhile--setting things up on >> finale with autohotkey and whatnot--mind you, i could never find an >> easy way to enter smartshapes from the keyb

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
TGTools is really what makes Finale shine. I can't imagine using Finale without it. On 2/19/08, Darcy James Argue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What, specifically, is slowing you down in Finale? My general > impression is that Sibelius is still somewhat easier to learn, but > expert Finale users

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread Eric Dannewitz
*Yawn* Yeah, you go Bob.. On 2/19/08, Bob Morabito <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well said, David.. > > Peace, Bob Morabito > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-20 Thread dhbailey
Darcy James Argue wrote: What, specifically, is slowing you down in Finale? My general impression is that Sibelius is still somewhat easier to learn, but expert Finale users can work more quickly and more efficiently, especially if you make full use of third-party plugins. Back when I was a r

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Darcy James Argue
What, specifically, is slowing you down in Finale? My general impression is that Sibelius is still somewhat easier to learn, but expert Finale users can work more quickly and more efficiently, especially if you make full use of third-party plugins. Back when I was a regular Sibelius user (v

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Bob Morabito
Well said, David.. Peace, Bob Morabito On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:26 PM, dhbailey wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: Exactly. That is why it was a stupid question. I have no idea why some people are getting their knickers in a twist over a simple question -- it's not like he insulted anybody's

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:26 PM, dhbailey wrote: If you don't like a question, hit the delete key. It does nobody any good to say "that's a stupid question." I have asked a number of questions here that might have seemed (or been) stupid to anyone with more experience with the issue than

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Chuck Israels
On Feb 19, 2008, at 4:23 PM, Adam Golding wrote: On the other hand, maybe i'm just so addicted to keyboard shortcuts that I can't realize that using the mouse *could* be fast too? I have the same issues with removing articulations. Not to dissuade you from keyboard shortcuts, but the

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 19, 2008, at 7:23 PM, Adam Golding wrote: yeah i indeed tried the macro route for awhile--setting things up on finale with autohotkey and whatnot--mind you, i could never find an easy way to enter smartshapes from the keyboard--i think i would have to learn the actual plugin language

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread dhbailey
Owain Sutton wrote: Eric Dannewitz wrote: Exactly. That is why it was a stupid question. One really needs to try them out and come to their own conclusions based on how they do things. And here all my teachers told me there were no stupid questions. :-( In defense of the question, he's real

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Owain Sutton
> Eric Dannewitz wrote: > > Exactly. That is why it was a stupid question. One really > needs to try > > them out and come to their own conclusions based on how > they do things. > > > > And here all my teachers told me there were no stupid questions. :-( > > In defense of the question, he's

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Christopher Smith
On Feb 19, 2008, at 5:33 PM, dhbailey wrote: And here all my teachers told me there were no stupid questions. :-( That's what I say to MY students. "There are no stupid questions. Only stupid students." 8-) Christopher ___ Finale mailing li

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread dhbailey
Robert Patterson wrote: Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is a stupid question. But it is a question that whose answer is very individual. The only reason I chime in here is to mention that if you are not making full use of 3rd-party plugins, and also using a 3rd-party keyboard macro progr

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread dhbailey
Eric Dannewitz wrote: Exactly. That is why it was a stupid question. One really needs to try them out and come to their own conclusions based on how they do things. And here all my teachers told me there were no stupid questions. :-( In defense of the question, he's really asking for opinio

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Robert Patterson
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say it is a stupid question. But it is a question that whose answer is very individual. The only reason I chime in here is to mention that if you are not making full use of 3rd-party plugins, and also using a 3rd-party keyboard macro program, you have no idea how f

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Exactly. That is why it was a stupid question. One really needs to try them out and come to their own conclusions based on how they do things. Steve Currington wrote: I can't answer based on current experiences or should I say products but I think the answer is .. it depends on how you work and

RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread Steve Currington
I can't answer based on current experiences or should I say products but I think the answer is .. it depends on how you work and your mental processes - some of which can be modified and some is inherent in ones personality or inbred work habits. I have both (NB I have not upgraded to the recent r

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-19 Thread dhbailey
Adam Golding wrote: Eric, I have used both Sibelius and Finale. Sibelius is currently faster for me, but I know it somewhat better than Finale---further practice on finale might make it faster for me, on the other hand, further practice might be futile. I agree that each program will produce d

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Golding
Well, if finale could potentially be faster, it might be worth it. Users who have used both extensively and prefer finale might have some valuable workflow insights in their explanation as to why finale is faster for them. On 19/02/2008, Eric Dannewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Then stick wi

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Then stick with Sibelius. You really don't need to use TWO different programs to do notation. It would be like learning Logic and Cubase. On 2/18/08, Adam Golding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eric, > > I have used both Sibelius and Finale. Sibelius is currently faster for me, > but I know it some

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Golding
Eric, I have used both Sibelius and Finale. Sibelius is currently faster for me, but I know it somewhat better than Finale---further practice on finale might make it faster for me, on the other hand, further practice might be futile. I agree that each program will produce different creative resu

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Eric Dannewitz
But people work differently, so, say you have two people who are fluent in both, but one thinks better doing things like Finale does it, and the other thinks like how Sibelius thinks. It is really a lame question. What you really need to do, if you are really interested in it, is to download both

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Golding
Not in the slightest. Suppose that someone is maximally fluent in both programs--that is to say, they use each program as fast as humanly possible. It doesn't follow that they use each program at the same speed, since the maximum humanly possible speed might be different for each program. I'm pr

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Eric Dannewitz
Wouldn't being fluent in one or the other or both really make it a moot point? On 2/18/08, Adam Golding <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone fluent in both Finale 2008 and Sibelius 5 comment on which is > actually faster to work in? If one isn't trying to create publishable > scores, but mere

[Finale] Finale/Sibelius -- which is truly faster?

2008-02-18 Thread Adam Golding
Can anyone fluent in both Finale 2008 and Sibelius 5 comment on which is actually faster to work in? If one isn't trying to create publishable scores, but merely trying to get scores and parts that an orchestral librarian would accept for rehearsal, I get the impression that sibelius 5 is much fas