Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-29 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote: I like the idea of using an abbreviated phrase, probably Italian, that accurately depicts the nature of the turn: regular vs. V.S., now I need to do a little research about the Italian phrase. In my opinion, since some of the performer's are not going to be a

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-29 Thread John Poole [Finale Discussion]
After I posted this I was looking something else up in Teach Yourself The Art of Music Engraving and Processing by Ted Ross and found he addresses the issue of page turns in the Appendix. He recommends using the english phrase "page turn" (p. A4) and using Volti subito "V.S." for quick page tur

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-28 Thread dumusic
I have done a considerable amount of piano ensemble playing. If you REALLY need to tell the players who should turn then use "volta" below the last measure of the page in the player's part. Based on the physical relationship of players to page the Primo is the usual logical turner. Incidentally,

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-28 Thread Harold Owen
John Poole writes: I will be publishing new music (using Finale) for piano ensemble (duet and 2 piano 8 hands). Thus the question of who should turn the pages arises. We're considering have a mark or notation for page turns as appropriate to a particular part (Primo or Secondo). Often the de

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-28 Thread Owain Sutton
John Howell wrote: At 4:52 AM +0100 8/28/04, Owain Sutton wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: So I think using V.S. as an all-purpose page turn indicator is just fine. It isn't with the sightreading of a piece with standard orchestral players. They'll all lurch forwards to turn ASAP. As they should

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
On 28 Aug 2004, at 12:24 AM, Raymond Horton wrote: Owain Sutton wrote: It isn't with the sightreading of a piece with standard orchestral players. They'll all lurch forwards to turn ASAP. And that's a bad thing? [I'm kidding, but kidding on the square.] Exactly. V.S. means fast. The end of a

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread John Howell
At 4:52 AM +0100 8/28/04, Owain Sutton wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: So I think using V.S. as an all-purpose page turn indicator is just fine. It isn't with the sightreading of a piece with standard orchestral players. They'll all lurch forwards to turn ASAP. As they should, if they don't kno

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread John Howell
At 8:19 PM -0700 8/27/04, John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote: I've read that in instances where page turns are needed for solo players to warn them that a quick page turn is necessary in order to keep up with the group, the appropriate marking is "v.s." for volti subito (Italian). John: This

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread Raymond Horton
Owain Sutton wrote: Darcy James Argue wrote: So I think using V.S. as an all-purpose page turn indicator is just fine. It isn't with the sightreading of a piece with standard orchestral players. They'll all lurch forwards to turn ASAP. ___ Finale

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread Owain Sutton
Darcy James Argue wrote: So I think using V.S. as an all-purpose page turn indicator is just fine. It isn't with the sightreading of a piece with standard orchestral players. They'll all lurch forwards to turn ASAP. ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL P

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread Darcy James Argue
In jazz and B'way copying, where we go to extreme lengths to facilitate page turns (sometimes we have just 2-3 systems on a page, or even leave a page completely blank), we use "V.S." for all page turns where the system with the page turn isn't aligned with the bottom margin -- even when there'

Re: [Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread Owain Sutton
John Poole [Finale Discussion] wrote: I will be publishing new music (using Finale) for piano ensemble (duet and 2 piano 8 hands). Thus the question of who should turn the pages arises. We're considering have a mark or notation for page turns as appropriate to a particular part (Primo or Seco

[Finale] Page turn symbol/notation?

2004-08-27 Thread John Poole [Finale Discussion]
I will be publishing new music (using Finale) for piano ensemble (duet and 2 piano 8 hands). Thus the question of who should turn the pages arises. We're considering have a mark or notation for page turns as appropriate to a particular part (Primo or Secondo). Often the delegation of who tur