RE: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread jeffery
disappearing measures, I've never seen that. What is that? I have occasionally seen measures APPEAR to vanish, but that is usually because I had a multi-measure rest where I later entered notes, and forgot to turn off the rest. That was a typo (although I have seen the measures

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Darcy James Argue
Jeremy, Unless I've very much misunderstood your explanation, it sounds like something a simple Update Layout will fix. You can even turn on Automatic Update Layout, if you like. (BTW, since there has been discussion of the sluggishness caused by Automatic Update Layout, Automatic Word

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 8:44, Johannes Gebauer wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: I also think that staff optimization should not be something that you have to remove and then re-apply. If you insert new measures, or insert data in previously empty measures (or you clear/hide previously populated

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 11:40, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am not against an automatic function with manual override, although I don't think I'd need or use it (because undoubtedly it will again slow down Finale, as most of these automatic update routines do). What if there were an option to set it to

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 7:06, Christopher Smith wrote: On Mar 2, 2005, at 10:35 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 2 Mar 2005 at 20:18, Christopher Smith wrote: disappearing measures, I've never seen that. What is that? I have occasionally seen measures APPEAR to vanish, but that is usually

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Johannes Gebauer
Although I can see that it may be useful to some, it wouldn't be useful to me, so I am not interested (but I don't object). However, something I'd much rather see is automatic vertical staff spacing. ;-) Johannes David W. Fenton wrote: On 3 Mar 2005 at 11:40, Johannes Gebauer wrote: I am not

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 2, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Just for the record, I just had to optimize many parts out of the score, which weren't empty at all. This was possible because the optimization information is stored with the absolute system, and is in fact manually accessable. I do not wish

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 15:22, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 2, 2005, at 11:44 PM, Johannes Gebauer wrote: Just for the record, I just had to optimize many parts out of the score, which weren't empty at all. This was possible because the optimization information is stored with the absolute system,

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 3, 2005, at 3:49 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: My point is that simple optimization (i.e., removing blank staves from a systen) should happen automatically if you have optimization turned on for the passage of music represented on a system If I'm understanding you correctly, you are suggesting

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 3, 2005, at 3:49 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: My point is that simple optimization (i.e., removing blank staves from a systen) should happen automatically if you have optimization turned on for the passage of music represented on a system If I'm understanding you correctly, you are suggesting

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 17:28, Mark D Lew wrote: It's just that I would have worded it to say that removal of empty staves is what needs to be separated from optimization. The meaning of the word optimization would then be associated with something that is not remotely related to the concept the

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 17:28, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 3, 2005, at 3:49 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: [] . . . I use this constantly, because the vertical height of a piano accompaniment varies throughout the piece. A constant distance from voice staff to piano-treble staff is unacceptable

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 3, 2005, at 6:25 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The meaning of the word optimization would then be associated with something that is not remotely related to the concept the word represents. You optimize in Finale in order to optimize the usage of space on the page, by eliminating blank staves,

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread David W. Fenton
On 3 Mar 2005 at 18:51, Mark D Lew wrote: On Mar 3, 2005, at 6:25 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: The meaning of the word optimization would then be associated with something that is not remotely related to the concept the word represents. You optimize in Finale in order to optimize the

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Mark D Lew
of the control of non-default behavior. Thanks for spelling that out again. I agree that in order to keep Finale in business it's important to clean up behavior which seems obtuse to new users. But for me, it only matters so long as we maintain all the fine controls. If Finale just turns

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-03 Thread Mark D Lew
On Mar 3, 2005, at 7:10 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: Removing blank staves returns a lot more usable space than vertically adjusting spacing within a staff. Taking up space is not the only criterion. An attractively spaced page is more optimal than one in which every system is cramped. To offer a

[Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread jeffery
Greetings all, mailing list newbie here. Glad to have found this. The latest version of Finale I am familiar with is 2002, having refused to upgrade beyond that until they fixed some of the basic notational problems in Finale that always seemed to get overlooked -- the eternal problems

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Noel Stoutenburg
bandwidth here! ;-) I have no interest in S~ myself, exactly because of the you can't do that in S~ responses I've seen in various forums over the years which I have been able to do trivially in Finale, so I don't look often. In response to a question about comparisons of Sibelius and Finale, I

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Jari Williamsson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is somewhere on the internet where someone has actually documented these things, that would certainly suffice. Go to the Finale tips site, click on Other Texts. There you have in-depth reviews of Finale 2002, Finale 2003, Finale 2004 Finale 2005. Best

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Owain Sutton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all, mailing list newbie here. Glad to have found this. The latest version of Finale I am familiar with is 2002, having refused to upgrade beyond that until they fixed some of the basic notational problems in Finale that always seemed to get overlooked --

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Robert Patterson
An often-overlooked area of improvement in Finale versions is the interface for plugins. Both Finale 2003 and Finale 2004 included significant improvements that greatly expanded the power of plugins. Finale 2003 allowed plugins to detect and operate on multiple open documents. Finale 2004

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Christopher Smith
On Mar 2, 2005, at 4:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings all,   mailing list newbie here. Glad to have found this.   The latest version of Finale I am familiar with is 2002, having refused to upgrade beyond that until they fixed some of the basic notational problems in Finale that always

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread David W. Fenton
On 2 Mar 2005 at 20:18, Christopher Smith wrote: disappearing measures, I've never seen that. What is that? I have occasionally seen measures APPEAR to vanish, but that is usually because I had a multi-measure rest where I later entered notes, and forgot to turn off the rest. Well, that

Re: [Finale] Finale/Sibelius and Finale 2005/Finale 200x comparison

2005-03-02 Thread Johannes Gebauer
David W. Fenton wrote: I also think that staff optimization should not be something that you have to remove and then re-apply. If you insert new measures, or insert data in previously empty measures (or you clear/hide previously populated measures), if you've got optimization turned on, it

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