At 5:46 PM -0700 10/2/09, Carl Dershem wrote:
Read The Gripping Hand by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.
Science fiction with aliens who have 3 hands (one to hold things
steady, 2 for fine manipulation). Not their best work, but
appropriate.
And no, they never mentioned if these aliens
John Howell wrote:
At 5:46 PM -0700 10/2/09, Carl Dershem wrote:
Read The Gripping Hand by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.
Science fiction with aliens who have 3 hands (one to hold things
steady, 2 for fine manipulation). Not their best work, but appropriate.
And no, they never mentioned
On Oct 3, 2009, at 2:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
Finale *users*, on the other hand, can get off the treadmill any time
they want. I've for years argued that the knee-jerk upgrade is silly,
except for the pro engravers who need to keep up with the current
version and need to exchange files
On 4 Oct 2009 at 8:17, Aaron Sherber wrote:
On 10/3/2009 10:08 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
On the other hand, for those of us who do our engraving gratis,
there's no amount of hours saved multiplied by an hourly rate of $0
that will offset the upgrade price.
Actually, you're looking at
On 4 Oct 2009 at 9:30, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 5:50 AM, Phil Daley p_da...@tds.net wrote:
I agree with David. I only work for my own purposes (both choirs and
instrumental groups) and can't afford the upgrade prices.
That's why I am still using V 3.7.2. Meets my
Its not so much of WOULD I want to run an OS 9 program, but rather, I
can't. I have no more machines that run OS 9. And I don't regret that
at all. I don't want to still be carrying around a 1991 GSM mobile
phone because it still works. Same for Finale. I paid for an upgrade
to be able to run on
On 4 Oct 2009 at 12:49, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
Its not so much of WOULD I want to run an OS 9 program, but rather, I
can't. I have no more machines that run OS 9. And I don't regret that
at all.
The only significant word in your three sentences is *I*.
Phil *does* want to run the old
On 10/3/2009 12:38 AM, Michael Greensill wrote:
Now I know I don't have to upgrade every time but they always reel you
in with something that can't have taken much effort to program, like
chord symbols being attached to beats in 2010. But should they charge
$100 for that feature. And half the
Aaron Sherber wrote:
[snip] Having said all of that, I'll flip-flop again. I
think I wouldn't mind
all of this so much if Makemusic just came out and said that they're
switching to a subscription model. I'm not crazy about subscription
models, but it's a more honest description of MM's
On 10/3/2009 8:34 AM, dhbailey wrote:
I would definitely object to a subscription model, since
that implies that if one wishes to stop subscribing then the
software will stop working as of whatever date the current
subscription runs out.
That's not what software subscription implies, in my
On Oct 2, 2009, at 2:35 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote:
Because of their incompatibility
policy, I have asked my clients not to upgrade past 2007 -- but one had
already begun work in 2008. Now that his material is headed my way, we
*both*
have to buy 2010 to be able to work together.
I,
On 3 Oct 2009 at 8:18, Aaron Sherber wrote:
I think I wouldn't mind
all of this so much if Makemusic just came out and said that they're
switching to a subscription model. I'm not crazy about subscription
models, but it's a more honest description of MM's business practices,
and somehow
On 3 Oct 2009 at 11:24, Aaron Sherber wrote:
As I said earlier, when I buy a
piece of software, I expect more than a year's worth of bug fixes, and I
expect major bugs to be fixed even after the next version comes out. For
example, MS continues to put out critical fixes for Office long
On 10/3/2009 5:24 PM, David W. Fenton wrote:
If Finale were a subscription program, would I be paying every year
to keep using Finale 2003? Would I pay less each year to keep using
it? Or would I not have to pay anything unless I wanted the current
version?
I answered this in my previous
I just got an e-mail from some company called OEM software resellers,
who are offering the full Finale 2010 for $119. A savings of $480 off
the retail price.
Is anyone else as pissed off as me that having owned Finale since 3.0
in 1992 and being forced to pay approximately $100 every year
They really ought to lower the upgrade price to $50. $119 for
nothing substantial? No bug fixes? Breaks TGTools? No thanks.
I really wish someone would make it possible to open all my Finale
files into Sibelius. No XML, no tinkering. Just open and they look
like what they did in Finale. I'd bid
First off, Finale may not be authorizing those sales and
they may be pirated copies.
Secondly, even if they are not pirated copies, they may be
copies purchased from a music retailer who has gone
bankrupt. In such cases all assets are sold off at auction
and somebody may have paid ten-cents
On 2 Oct 2009 at 10:18, Michael Greensill wrote:
I just got an e-mail from some company called OEM software resellers,
who are offering the full Finale 2010 for $119. A savings of $480 off
the retail price.
That seems coincidentally close to the upgrade price for those who've
skipped a
On 10/2/2009 2:22 PM, dhbailey wrote:
Secondly, it's important that we all remember that MakeMusic
has never forced anybody to upgrade. At least as far as I
know, they've never put a gun to anybody's head and said
Buy this upgrade for $100 or I'll blow your head off.
They have forced people who
On 2 Oct 2009 at 14:22, dhbailey wrote:
Secondly, ...
And later:
Secondly, ...
Is that like the other left or are you one of those three-handed
folks, one the one hand, on the other hand, on the other hand...
:)
Anyway, I did have a serious response. You wrote:
These days I'm the last
On Fri, October 2, 2009 2:22 pm, dhbailey wrote:
Secondly, it's important that we all remember that MakeMusic
has never forced anybody to upgrade.
But their policies force that behavior for almost anyone working with clients.
Because Finale cannot write files in a format compatible with any
Interesting--I bought my Finale 2003 at half-price (=$300) in 2004 from a
retailer in Fort Worth--still happy with it, and have not upgraded since.
ajr
First off, Finale may not be authorizing those sales and
they may be pirated copies.
Secondly, even if they are not pirated copies, they may
An unsolicited mail offering you OEM software at unbeatable prices is
almost certainly a scam. Have a look here:
http://graphicssoft.about.com/cs/faq/a/softwarescams.htm
Michael
On 2 Oct 2009, at 19:18, Michael Greensill wrote:
I just got an e-mail from some company called OEM software
I just got an e-mail from some company called OEM software resellers,
who are offering the full Finale 2010 for $119. A savings of $480 off
the retail price.
Sounds like others have identified this as a scam. But even if it's not, so
what?
Variable pricing is the way of the world now.
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 2 Oct 2009 at 14:22, dhbailey wrote:
Secondly, ...
And later:
Secondly, ...
Is that like the other left or are you one of those three-handed
folks, one the one hand, on the other hand, on the other hand...
:)
[snip]
Oops.
--
David H. Bailey
dhbailey wrote:
David W. Fenton wrote:
On 2 Oct 2009 at 14:22, dhbailey wrote:
Secondly, ...
And later:
Secondly, ...
Is that like the other left or are you one of those three-handed
folks, one the one hand, on the other hand, on the other hand...
:)
[snip]
Oops.
Read The
I agree that the OEM e-mail seems to be a scam. But that still doesn't
address what I think is an unfair system. Can you imagine poor jazz
musicians buying software like Finale if the upfront price was $2400.
Now I know I don't have to upgrade every time but they always reel you
in with
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