Re: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-11-22 Thread João Pais
for example, not used in bartok string quartets 1 (1908-09) and 2 (1915-17) [don't have 3 (1927) handy] but used in 4th (1928) and onwards. i don't have the 4th handy weither but know the snap pizz is used there for sure. if my memory is right, he used it first in the 3rd sq., but not

Re: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-11-22 Thread John Howell
At 11:39 AM +0100 11/22/10, João Pais wrote: for example, not used in bartok string quartets 1 (1908-09) and 2 (1915-17) [don't have 3 (1927) handy] but used in 4th (1928) and onwards. i don't have the 4th handy weither but know the snap pizz is used there for sure. if my memory is right,

Re(2): [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-09-29 Thread Leigh Daniels
Gardner Read, Music Notation, p. 272: Another symbol is x invented by Stockhausen, inveterate fabricator of notational devices. This sign is a slight modification of (circle-line up) or (circle-line down) created by Béla Bartók for the snap pizzicato in string instruments . . . **Leigh On Wed,

[Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-09-28 Thread SN jef chippewa
can anyone give me reputable references for the use of the bartók pizz with circle and line going downwards? i come across this once in awhile and as far as i can tell it is wrong, not just because it too closely resembles the cello thumb position symbol. but very common amongst german

Re: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-09-28 Thread Robert Patterson
FWIW: All the Mahler scores are online at imslp.org. The notation in the 7th is f with the footnote So stark anreißen, daß die Saiten an das Holz anschlagen. Not much help for the current discussion, I guess. (Bar 401) On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 2:28 PM, SN jef chippewa

Re: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-09-28 Thread Michael Mathew
shirl...@newmusicnotation.com Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:28:00 +0200 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down can anyone give me reputable references for the use of the bartók pizz with circle and line going downwards? i come across

Re: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-09-28 Thread SN jef chippewa
thanks michael, very helpful indeed. I have several sources in the Boosey and Hawkes editions. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale

Re: [Finale] bartók pizz. : line up vs. down

2010-09-28 Thread SN jef chippewa
The notation in the 7th is f with the footnote So stark anreißen, daß die Saiten an das Holz anschlagen. Not much help for the current discussion, I guess. (Bar 401) thanks, actually it is, it indicates there was no special symbol for it back then. since bartók seems to have been the