Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-22 Thread Max Horn
Am 22.03.2006 um 01:13 schrieb David R. Morrison: Max, I've just expanded the message which fink gives to users upon a compile failure. If the user is on intel hardware, after the suggestion to email the maintainer appears the sentence: "Note that many fink package maintainers do not (y

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-21 Thread David R. Morrison
Max, I've just expanded the message which fink gives to users upon a compile failure. If the user is on intel hardware, after the suggestion to email the maintainer appears the sentence: "Note that many fink package maintainers do not (yet) have access to OSX on Intel hardware, so you ma

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-21 Thread Max Horn
Am 21.03.2006 um 15:59 schrieb David R. Morrison: On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:57 PM, Max Horn wrote: Well, in my eyes, those "rights" were already severely cut when those packages where moved to the intel tree, without the maintainers being involved in anyway. Again, I understand the logisti

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-21 Thread David R. Morrison
On Mar 20, 2006, at 11:57 PM, Max Horn wrote: Well, in my eyes, those "rights" were already severely cut when those packages where moved to the intel tree, without the maintainers being involved in anyway. Again, I understand the logistic reasons for this. But: by this process, the package

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-21 Thread Matthew Sachs
On Mar 21, 2006, at 03:00, Max Horn wrote: Those batch updates usually involved adding a new field, or replacing a dependency with a new one. I don't think that the maintainers need to be notified & asked about this one-by-one. However, a notification mail explaining the change in a generic

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-21 Thread Max Horn
Am 21.03.2006 um 04:08 schrieb Koen van der Drift: Sometimes one of the core maintainers is doing a batch update of many packages. Would it be required in such a situation to contact the maintainers first? That could take many weeks in the worst case. And mostly it is a change that is not

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-20 Thread Max Horn
Am 21.03.2006 um 02:45 schrieb Alexander K. Hansen: [...] I think we can all agree that fixing typos requires no particular expertise with the package in question (and saves the maintainer from being inundated with messages about the problem). Indeed, fully agreed. That is, as long as the p

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-20 Thread Koen van der Drift
Sometimes one of the core maintainers is doing a batch update of many packages. Would it be required in such a situation to contact the maintainers first? That could take many weeks in the worst case. And mostly it is a change that is not really an improvement for a particular package, but

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-20 Thread Alexander K. Hansen
On 3/20/06, Max Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Am 19.03.2006 um 23:10 schrieb Trevor Harmon: > > > On Mar 19, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: > > [...] > > > > >> It makes > >> sense to, by default, defer to the person who understands that > >> software > >> well enough to package it, w

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-20 Thread Max Horn
Am 19.03.2006 um 23:10 schrieb Trevor Harmon: On Mar 19, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: [...] It makes sense to, by default, defer to the person who understands that software well enough to package it, when questions arise. But this can still be the default in the model I pro

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-19 Thread Trevor Harmon
On Mar 19, 2006, at 1:04 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote: As far as maintainership being in perpetuity, it makes sense to me because generally the maintainer, in the course of packaging something, is most likely to understand issues in new releases of the software, is most likely to be able to get

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-19 Thread Benjamin Reed
Trevor Harmon wrote: > But regardless of what I think, Fink's policy should be followed, good > or bad. On the other hand, it's difficult to follow a policy that isn't > written down somewhere. That's probably why you're having the problems > you spoke of. Most people have the best intentions -- t

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-19 Thread Trevor Harmon
On Mar 19, 2006, at 11:58 AM, Max Horn wrote: However, for those package maintainer who *are* willing to quickly react on such notifications (e.g. me), it is a bit hard to accept that their packages are simply taken out of their hands :-/. I believe these problems exist because it's not cle

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-19 Thread Benjamin Reed
Max Horn wrote: > . I am a bit tired of learning about changes to my packages only > after they've been made. At least you, Ben, take the time to inform me > about it -- thanks for that (honestly, no sarcasm intended). I > understand that you have the best intentions with that, of course. > Howeve

[Fink-devel] Re: FYI: SDL change

2006-03-19 Thread Max Horn
Am 17.03.2006 um 20:27 schrieb Benjamin Reed: I've updated SDL so that sdl-config uses the -Wl, format for passing framework args (ie, turn "-framework Foo" into "-Wl,-framework,Foo") Otherwise some versions of libtool will try to reorder them, or render the 2nd part of the argument to the rel