Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 01:47:20AM +0200, Martin Costabel wrote: Alexander Hansen wrote: [] There was an official update of 10.4's X11 via Software Update. And on Leopard a number of the system updates included files in the X11 distribution. I agree with Jack on the fact that the xquartz

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread David R. Morrison
On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 in Snow Leopard is already preconfigured to hand off to an X11 in /opt if present (remember that Jeremy Huddleston is both X11 maintainer at Apple as well as the

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Costabel
David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 in Snow Leopard is already preconfigured to hand off to an X11 in /opt if present (remember that Jeremy Huddleston is both X11 maintainer

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/9/18 Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr: David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: Martin,    I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 in Snow Leopard is already preconfigured to hand off to an X11 in /opt if present (remember

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread David R. Morrison
On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr: David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, I don't follow your last statement. My understanding is that X11 in Snow Leopard is already

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Michal Suchanek
2009/9/18 David R. Morrison d...@finkproject.org: On Sep 18, 2009, at 10:06 AM, Michal Suchanek wrote: 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr: David R. Morrison wrote: On Sep 18, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: Martin,   I don't follow your last statement. My understanding

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Martin Costabel
Michal Suchanek wrote: 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr: [] completely over to /opt/X11, which means changing every single package and forcing everyone to abandon the system X11. Well, perhaps you can introduce a variable which specifies the X location so most packages can be

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-18 Thread Jack Howarth
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 05:58:00PM +0200, Martin Costabel wrote: Michal Suchanek wrote: 2009/9/18 Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr: [] completely over to /opt/X11, which means changing every single package and forcing everyone to abandon the system X11. Well, perhaps you can introduce a

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Costabel
Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, It is a bit extreme to say the Jeremy has gone off the deep end with bleeding edge. Completely I didn't say off the deep end. What he does is still very valuable, but in a different way from before. In the long run, it will probably benefit all users of X11 on

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of the X11 components from Apple. This really the main reason I moved over to MacPorts. A number of times in the past X11 Xquartz changes have broken pymol and I don't want to

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Robert Wyatt
Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of the X11 components from Apple. Not that it won't or that I wouldn't like to see it, but when has this ever happened before? --Robert

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of the X11 components from Apple. Not that it won't or that I wouldn't like to see it,

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Robert Wyatt
Jack Howarth wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of the X11 components from Apple. Not that it won't or that I

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Jack Howarth
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:55:49AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of the

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that the bulk (if not all) of X11 Xquartz will likely appear in a future software update of

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jack Howarth wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:12:47PM -0400, Alexander Hansen wrote: Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:35:26AM -0500, Robert Wyatt wrote: Jack Howarth wrote: Martin, Well, the problem is that

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-17 Thread Martin Costabel
Alexander Hansen wrote: [] There was an official update of 10.4's X11 via Software Update. And on Leopard a number of the system updates included files in the X11 distribution. I agree with Jack on the fact that the xquartz development improved the official X11. The latest softwareupdated X11

[Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-16 Thread Robert Wyatt
Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you folks think that it shouldn't matter (in which case I would install the alpha). --Robert

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-16 Thread Alexander Hansen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Robert Wyatt wrote: Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you folks think that it shouldn't

Re: [Fink-devel] XQuartz alpha1 for 10.6

2009-09-16 Thread Robert Wyatt
Alexander Hansen wrote: Robert Wyatt wrote: Jeremy H has just released XQuartz 2.4.1_alpha1 for Snow Leopard. I'm going to continue to work through building the bundle- packages with the X11 that shipped with 10.6 for now unless you folks think that it shouldn't matter (in which case I