Re: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread Daniel D. Todd
if you take this to the next level a "common use" law could preclude the introduction of any new cartridge or even any new weapon using an existing cartridge. This is why it is necessary for those knowledgeable about "arms" to develop an acceptable taxonomy to help the courts in determining what

RE: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread Joseph E. Olson
There was no evidence in Miller that the firearm was "sawed-off." The indictment simply refers to a shotgun with a barrel less than 18 inches in length. Short-barrel shotguns were common before the NFA and could be purchased at hardware stores. NOTE: common. I had, at the time of the 1968 amne

Re: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread Henry E Schaffer
Raymond writes: > The military in WWI used, and today still uses, short-barreled shotguns, "trench brooms", etc. > but they were not sawed-off. I think that barrel length is the important metric, and that "sawed-off" is a general term meaning the barrel was shortened after manufacture. S

RE: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread Raymond Kessler
You are right, but a great deal of public policy has been based in racism, sexism, ignorance and lack of concern for constitutional rights. Billions have been wasted on policies that were allegedly based on common sense and life experience. Yes, it is hard to have reliable evidence on many public

RE: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread Raymond Kessler
The military in WWI used, and today still uses, short-barreled shotguns, but they were not sawed-off. I'm not sure if this makes a difference for 2nd Amend theory, but it's a fact. Ray From: firearmsregprof-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [mailto:firearmsregprof-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] On Behalf

Re: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread Jon Roland
C. D. Tavares wrote: No, what [the Supreme Court in Miller] ruled was that because they had no evidence that a sawed-off shotgun contributed to the preservation and efficacy of the militia, it was the job of the subsidiary judge to stop throwing the case out of court on first principles, and pr

Re: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread C. D. Tavares
On Jun 4, 2009, at 8:16 AM, Raymond Kessler wrote: Further, Heller seems to be limited to "weapons in common use." .50 cal. Rifles are not in common use. I wonder why I don't see more discussion of the elephant in this particular room -- viz., Miller requires "common use" to protect a ty

Re: Volokh: California Court of Appeal Upholds Ban

2009-06-05 Thread C. D. Tavares
On Jun 4, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Charles Curley wrote: I believe that the Miller case (1939?) stands for the proposition that the weapons best protected by the 2nd Amdt are those that lead to the preservation and efficacy of the militia. If I recall correctly, the Court held that, as they had no evi