Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-17 Thread Mark Johnson
sex.ac.uk/spru/>University of > Sussex; > > Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, > Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, > <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing; > > Visiting Professor, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.a

Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-15 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
ych9gNYJ=en From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Marcus Abundis Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2015 7:11 AM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C. Hey Mark, Sorry if I confused things by commenting on Bateson AND THEN Shannon-Weaver. In my

Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-15 Thread Bob Logan
gt; Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ., Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, Beijing; > Visiting Professor, Birkbeck, University of London; > http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ=en > > From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Marcus Abundis > Sen

Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-14 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
> On 2015-10-14, at 12:38 PM, Marcus Abundis wrote: > >> RE Mark Johnson's post of Thu Oct 1 09:47:13 on Bateson and imagination Two quick remarks: 1. It's not at all clear to me that C is subsumptive of B. 2. I would lobby for Shannon/Bayesian relationships as an intermediary between A. and B

Re: [Fis] Shannon-Weavers' Levels A, B, C.

2015-10-14 Thread Mark Johnson
Maybe I've missed something, but the subsumption I mentioned (referring to Bateson) was not between A, B and C: these are co-existent interacting dynamics as I understand them, and certainly a very rigorous and powerful generative model. I was worrying about subsumption of Bateson's "imagination"