Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-12 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 10:35 PM, Frank Brickle wrote: > On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Brian Lloyd > wrote: > > ... > > But most of the OS's today are things that provide a relatively disjoint > > environment in which independent applications run...I certainly see the > attraction. It > > is

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-12 Thread Frank Goenninger
Am 12.10.2010 um 07:35 schrieb Frank Brickle: > The perennial problem, isn't it? Whether to design to the needs of the > expert or the naive user. Here, as in so many other areas these days, > the solution seems ready to hand: multiple, simultaneous virtualized > environments on a single user syst

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread Frank Brickle
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 12:14 AM, Brian Lloyd wrote: > ... > But most of the OS's today are things that provide a relatively disjoint > environment in which independent applications run...I certainly see the > attraction. It > is very powerful for the wizard willing to learn to use it. But it pro

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 8:00 PM, David McClain wrote: > yes, one of my points in my note, but not made clearly, was that with an > integration time of only 5 seconds, by rights, you could lay claim to 200 > mHz precision, or thereabouts. So you did very well, considering. > Yes, especially knowi

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread David McClain
yes, one of my points in my note, but not made clearly, was that with an integration time of only 5 seconds, by rights, you could lay claim to 200 mHz precision, or thereabouts. So you did very well, considering. Don't know what TANSTAAFL means? having it all there where you can come up with

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, David McClain < d...@refined-audiometrics.com> wrote: > Brian, > > I found the Fldigi system interesting... and at first you had me thinking > someone had found a way around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, in > terms of making rapid measurements of fine freq

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread David McClain
Okay Frank! Wow, I didn't expect that response! I mostly use LispWorks 6 at this time, but I also have Allegro 8.1 here, and try to keep my code mostly portable between them. The latest LW has some really awesome SMP capabilities. But I am a firm believer in Lisp for this kind of thing, and

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread Frank Goenninger
Am 11.10.2010 um 21:55 schrieb David McClain: > (Oh, how I dream of just doing it all myself in Lisp, with Lisp fully present > all the time... that way you can make up ad-hoc measurements that would never > have been thought of until you need them. Closed systems can't possibly > anticipate ev

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-11 Thread David McClain
Brian, I found the Fldigi system interesting... and at first you had me thinking someone had found a way around the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, in terms of making rapid measurements of fine frequency differences... So I did some research on Fldigi, tried it out, and looked up AFC

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-10 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Jerry Flanders wrote: > An additional source of error is the fact that the 5000 does not tune > continuously. It tunes in steps, and they are irregular, so an additional > correction is required. When you are watching your WWV phase display, a part > of the error yo

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-10 Thread Jerry Flanders
net> >Cc: <mailto:flexradio@flex-radio.biz>flexradio@flex-radio.biz >Subject: Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT > >I did, and got within 27 mHz for one of the runs with my GPSDO'ed >5000a. Better than 0.1 Hz on three of the four. > >Brian, W

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-10 Thread William H. Fite
PM 10/9/2010, Richard W. Solomon wrote: >> >>> Where can I find some literature on measurement equipment and techniques >>> ? >>> >>> Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >From: Jerry Flanders &g

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-10 Thread William H. Fite
From: Jerry Flanders >> >Sent: Oct 9, 2010 4:00 PM >> >To: Jeff Singer >> >Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz >> >Subject: Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT >> > >> >I did, and got within 27 mHz for one of the runs with my GPSDO

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-09 Thread Jerry Flanders
4:00 PM >To: Jeff Singer >Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz >Subject: Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT > >I did, and got within 27 mHz for one of the runs with my GPSDO'ed >5000a. Better than 0.1 Hz on three of the four. > >Brian, WB6RQN, got within

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-09 Thread Jerry Flanders
An additional source of error is the fact that the 5000 does not tune continuously. It tunes in steps, and they are irregular, so an additional correction is required. When you are watching your WWV phase display, a part of the error you see may be due to this. This may not be important unless

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-09 Thread AA8K73 GMail
Hi Jeff, For about $150 you can get a used Trimble Thunderbolt GPSDO that will give you a precision 10 MHz reference signal to put into your Flex Radio. Tune in WWV and watch the Phase display. The rotation is from Doppler. After parking the rig at a convenient frequency a couple of hundred H

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-09 Thread Richard W. Solomon
Where can I find some literature on measurement equipment and techniques ? Thanks, Dick, W1KSZ -Original Message- >From: Jerry Flanders >Sent: Oct 9, 2010 4:00 PM >To: Jeff Singer >Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz >Subject: Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Rece

Re: [Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-09 Thread Jerry Flanders
I did, and got within 27 mHz for one of the runs with my GPSDO'ed 5000a. Better than 0.1 Hz on three of the four. Brian, WB6RQN, got within 5 mHz on one!!! I got within 10 mHz on a test awhile back. One problem with the 5000a is that the tuning step size is pretty big. Sound card programs li

[Flexradio] My Rookie Performance in the Recent FMT

2010-10-09 Thread Jeff Singer
Thanks for the alert on the K5CM Frequency Measuring Test a few nights ago. That test uses two stations to send a CW carrier on 160, 80 (twice) and 40 meters. A FMT is something totally new to me. My only preparation was to calibrate the radio carefully against WWV using its built-in scope. My re