Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
rik" wrote: > It's not going to happen. If there was enough demand for a 2m-1296 > rig you would have it already from the Big 3. > Ron > K0IDT > > - Original Message - From: "Les Rayburn" > To: "Ken Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Monday,

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
;Les Rayburn" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:50 PM To: "Ron Kolarik" Cc: Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I disagree. SDR changes the paradigm because it would allow a manufacturer to offer bands like 222 or 902 that are not available worldwide at an af

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
-- From: "Neal Campbell" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:53 PM To: Cc: Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware There are different strategies in introducing new technology. One is to introduce new technology on the low priced tier of you

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
Les: I totally agree with that. 73 AGN, Bill, W3XO -- From: "Les Rayburn" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM To: "Ken Alexander" Cc: Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I have to agree with Ken

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-21 Thread Bill Tynan
. 73, Bill Tynan, W3XO -- From: "Les Rayburn" Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:17 PM To: Subject: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware The demise of the 5000 points out a reality that I hope the folks at Flex will latch onto quickly. Namely, that just because something can be

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Mike Valentine
I'm not trying to start something, however your definition of "affordable cost" leaves me a little mystified. The overwhelming costs to do VHF/UHF (whether as an SDR or not) include every component of a transverter: Mixers, oscillators, band-pass filters, power amplifier modules, T/R switching

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Dave AA6YQ
ssage- From: FlexRadio [mailto:flexradio-boun...@flex-radio.biz] On Behalf Of Jon Hall Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:44 PM To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware The issue with flex radios as they currently exist isn't that you won't be abl

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Jon Hall wrote: > ...I believe the Signature series overcomes this somewhat by moving the > computer back into the radio = Correct. However, not everybody saw it that way. When some of the cognoscenti began to discuss the probable features of the upco

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Jon Hall
The issue with flex radios as they currently exist isn't that you won't be able to get a case if you somehow destroy yours. It's that Flex will stop supporting the software. If the software isn't actively developed it will soon not run on current computer technology. What happens when Microsoft dro

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
t; > Ron >> > K0IDT >> > >> > - Original Message - From: "Les Rayburn" >> > To: "Ken Alexander" >> > Cc: >> > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ken Alexander
That doesn't make them any more affordable to me. 73, Ken Alexander VE3HLS On 2013-05-20, at 7:12 PM, Michael Hasenfratz wrote: > And the the high end radios from the big 3 are only twice as much as the 6700 > and three times as much as the 6500. > > Michael Hasenfratz > ===

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Mickey Baker
k" wrote: > > > It's not going to happen. If there was enough demand for a 2m-1296 > > rig you would have it already from the Big 3. > > Ron > > K0IDT > > > > - Original Message - From: "Les Rayburn" > > To: "Ken

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
"Ken Alexander" > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware > > >> I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but >> way out of my price range. >> Persona

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
o you buy from. > > Eddie from the Bronx > AB2VW > > >> From: k.alexan...@rogers.com >> Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:31:55 -0400 >> To: l...@highnoonfilm.com >> CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz >> Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware &g

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread W8BYA
-- From: Les Rayburn To: Ken Alexander Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I&

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Michael Hasenfratz
And the the high end radios from the big 3 are only twice as much as the 6700 and three times as much as the 6500. Michael Hasenfratz Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. On May 20, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Les Raybu

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Tony Estep
On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Les Rayburn wrote: > .How long before Icom, Yaesu, and Kenwood begin to offer SDR models > too?... Well, in many cases it's not hard to get IF out from an xcvr, feed that into an LP-Pan or SDR-IQ, and feed the resulting I-Q into a version of PSDR. T

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Patrick Greenlee
deal with reality. Patrick AF5CK -Original Message- From: Les Rayburn Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 1:50 PM To: Ron Kolarik Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware I disagree. SDR changes the paradigm because it would allow a manufacturer to o

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Les Rayburn
I disagree. SDR changes the paradigm because it would allow a manufacturer to offer bands like 222 or 902 that are not available worldwide at an affordable cost. It also allows a single RF deck to serve the many multiple facets of amateur radio such as weak signal work, satellites, digital mod

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ron Kolarik
It's not going to happen. If there was enough demand for a 2m-1296 rig you would have it already from the Big 3. Ron K0IDT - Original Message - From: "Les Rayburn" To: "Ken Alexander" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [Flexradio] T

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Neal Campbell
ilm.com > Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware > > There are different strategies in introducing new technology. One is to > introduce new technology on the low priced tier of your products knowing > that the top tier segm

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ross Stenberg
When the radio is available without the signatures, that will be a good sign (no pun intended). -Original Message- From: Neal Campbell Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 12:53 PM To: l...@highnoonfilm.com Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Neal Campbell
There are different strategies in introducing new technology. One is to introduce new technology on the low priced tier of your products knowing that the top tier segment is quite conservative and resistant to change. One the technology migrates from low price to high price products, its proven and

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Edwin Marzan
> From: k.alexan...@rogers.com > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:31:55 -0400 > To: l...@highnoonfilm.com > CC: flexradio@flex-radio.biz > Subject: Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware > > My only hope is that Flex continues to produce affordable transceivers and &g

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Les Rayburn
I have to agree with Ken. The new boxes from Flex are indeed impressive, but way out of my price range. Personally, I'd prefer to see an SDR for VHF-UHF operation that offers operation on 2 Meters, 222, 432, 902, and possibly 1296. If it would serve the needs of weak signal operators, FM, and

Re: [Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Ken Alexander
My only hope is that Flex continues to produce affordable transceivers and not just megabuck rigs that are totally beyond my reach. Game-changers are nice for those who can afford them, but if Flex can't offer something for $2000 or less, then I have no choice but to look elsewhere. 73, Ken A

[Flexradio] The Dirty Little Secret of Firmware

2013-05-20 Thread Les Rayburn
The demise of the 5000 points out a reality that I hope the folks at Flex will latch onto quickly. Namely, that just because something can be firmware or software updated, that doesn't mean that it has a longer shelf life than a traditional consumer product. I'm in the market now for a new radi